Linus Torvalds suggests disabling AMD’s ‘stupid’ fTPM to solve a persistent stuttering issue | The problem affects Ryzen-based PCs running both Windows and Linux::undefined
I remember 5 years ago when Linus said he would work to show more restraint in swearing out vendors… and it’s just hit me how well that worked. He didn’t use a single swear word–in English or Finnish–and kept his negative sentiment focused on the implementation, rather than the people who did it, or their intelligence.
I still agree with his sentiment towards Nvidia.
Cool. A person in Linus’s position would benefit from a single iota of emotional intelligence. Because his words reach a lot of people who DO NOT agree with him. Like me. I dismiss everything he says because he has the maturity of a petulant child. I don’t care how right he might be about something. If a leader cannot make public communications with respect, the content of the message is irrelevant. Calling TPM “stupid” puts his stupidity on display.
So your issue with him is his emotional intelligence, but you lack the emotional intelligence to separate content from vocabulary. You admit that you would prefer to believe incorrect information just because it came from someone who says things in ways you don’t like. That is an astounding amount of irony.
In honor of Linus and his decades of beneficial development work on an open Linux kernel, constituting an immense body of works that has benefited all of society in measurable ways, I respectfully, honorably, and kindly implore you to shut the fuck up and stay in your lane, bitch.
If a leader cannot make public communications with respect, the content of the message is irrelevant.
So that’s not a rational view. Linus’s style is irrelevant; you need to see if he is correct as that’s all that matters really in deciding whether or not to dismiss his arguments. This goes for everyone from Aristotle to Andrew Tate.
If he’s wrong in 99% of cases then sure, it’s reasonable to dismiss him based purely on time constraints. But if he’s rude and correct in 99% of cases then you need to listen up.Cool story
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If I, remember correctly he went to therapy for couple of months.
His therapist got him to indirectly call people stupid by calling their creations stupid. Bravo. What a great guy he is.
Sometimes it’s just an ugly baby.
Glad to see Linus giving this more visibility. There was a huge forum thread on the LTT Forums about users with this issue when Microsoft announced that Windows 11 would require TPM. AMD has attempted to fix it and the fixes have been completely ineffective on my system (B450 chipset using both a Ryzen 3700X and a 5800X).
On the plus side, I don’t get Windows reminding me to upgrade to 11 on my desktop because it thinks it is incompatible!
The thing is, Windows 11 doesn’t even need TPM - it’s just an arbitrary flag the installer looks for - which can easily be bypassed using a registry key - but MS have conveniently decided not to make a GUI for this, nor publicize that it can be bypassed by the end user.
All of this is just a conspiracy by Microsoft and it’s OEM partners (mainly Intel) to generate more sales.
I don’t think it’s that. I think they just want to force manufacturers and users to have TPMs. They don’t want some users having one and some not, it’s easier when you know every device has one.
It’s been a very effective way to keep them from updating my system to windows 11. But that’s about all it’s done
Linus Torvalds Tips has a forum‽
I don’t get that anymore… But for months my windows 10 was still trying to upgrade automatically despite my PC never having TPM. Only to fail every time of course. Now it’s finally acknowledging that it’s “incompatible” too.
I have a Ryzen that’s supposed to be fTPM capable but since I saw lots of performance complaints I never switched it on.
The treacherous platform module has always been malware
Trusted computing has always given me the heebee jeebees. Why should users have to put trust in the vendor? Why should the vendor be able to potentially enforce DRM on my machine, where I want nothing even remotely resembling DRM in my machine’s hardware or firmware? If I want to use software with DRM (Steam for example), I will specifically install it. If I want to use Secure Boot to verify the boot signatures of my machine, it damn well better be keys that are exclusively mine.
I prefer the idea of trustless computing, where everything is open source and all of the security implementations are verifiably secure and publicly auditable.
Treacherous computing is evil to the core. It’s a plot to destroy the very idea of general purpose computers.
It’s not just for that. It’s useful also for allowing storing your data safely. For example to keep fingerprints safe or other similar information.
If it was for that, it’d be locked with my keys, not some megacorp’s. The concept of treacherous computing is to let the corpos trust your computer to betray you for their profits.
Linux::undefined
Good bot. If this isn’t a distro yet it should be.
It’s GNU/Linux::undefined!
Easy, Richard. Let’s get you home.
be the change you want to see in the world!
Lets hope that AMD can read that hint…
And there I was happy to purchase an AMD Ryzen laptop a few months ago. After the laptop keyboard problems (very slow typing due to faulty IRQ overrides, Mario Limonciello submitted a patch but it’s still not part of any stable release, you have to patch the sources yourself), now it turns out the occasional stuttering is also because of AMD.
Update your bios. A new driver update has fixed this.
Linux kernel 6.2 fixed this too I think
My BIOS is up-to-date and no the 6.2 doesn’t fix it. Mario himself said his patch will be part of one of the 6.5 rc’s (and it looks like it’s already part of the current rc). Until then, anyone with a recent Ryzen CPU and a laptop keyboard needs to apply the patch manually on the current versions.
And here’s me with a Huawei laptop where I can’t upgrade the BIOS. I’ve had to completely disable fTPM just to stop the freezing.
Would a physical tpm solve the stuttering?
A physical tpm is causing the stuttering.
fTPM is firmware TPM, it is not physical.
Yeah that’s what I thought
Running both Windows and Linux
Yeah but what if I’m not dual booting?
