• Cypher@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    This is bound to be an unpopular opinion here but I hate vim.

    Shortcuts in vim make no sense whatsoever. They’re not the fastest possible shortcuts nor are they intuitive.

    Sure it’s got useful features if you let the awful design brow beat you into memorising an absurd number of shortcuts that lack any form of logic.

    You could have a cheat sheet on another monitor but at that point why not have an editor that has a gui.

    • OpenStars@startrek.websiteEnglish
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      9 months ago

      The reason is b/c vim predates GUIs. Yes, as in all of them:-D. (Or rather, its predecessor vi did and vim unlike others very much remained true to its origins)

      Even now, there are many places e.g. when doing server maintenance or accessing a compute cluster via SSH, sometimes you do not have a handy GUI environment accessible, at which point your choices become extremely limited, and it helps that vim has been installed on every Unix-i/Linux-ish machine since the 80s.

      GUIs are superior, ofc, when they work. On a daily basis I even use a GUI for vim - MacVim (for Windows there used to be Cream but I am very out of date there), and there is always gVim. I could use something else but I am familiar with vim and it is EXTREMELY powerful - e.g. I could indent 100,000 lines in the middle of a file without having to manually select all of them at once first, or better still only do the indentation based on matching a pattern.

      It is very advanced, and thus not for everyone, and even those of us that use it often prefer the GUI way for simple tasks like select a contiguous block of 5 lines, but it offers the benefit that it works in the widest possible number of scenarios - e.g. more than nano. emacs does too, except its commands are so configurable that the X-windows GUI number 1, X-windows GUI number 2, and command-line versions all use entirely different shortcuts, so a cheat sheet would not help. vim offers consistency that, afaik, is absolutely unmatched anywhere.

      Now you know:-).

    • drmeanfeel@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      I was shoved into Linux by a nearly dead HPC expert who was definitely angry about the advent of electricity.

      Wasn’t given any indication of a text editor, I ran across vim for one reason or another and enjoyed his Palpatine-like reaction from seeing me using vim enough to keep using it. And if you’re enjoying something, why not

      But yeah, it has some drawbacks lol

      • pineapple_santa@feddit.de
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        9 months ago

        Having a mentor like this is unfathomably valuable. The kind that knows exactly when a printer problem should be fixed with a sledgehammer and are not afraid to apply the “fix”.

  • 1984@lemmy.today
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    9 months ago

    I used to use a lot of nvim but actually went to Jetbrains now at work… It’s just a lot easier to work with for teams.

    • flashgnash@lemm.ee
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      9 months ago

      Can you not get an nvim extension? There’s one for Vscode that works very well and even uses your existing nvim config

      • mac@infosec.pub
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        9 months ago

        What does it carry over from your swim config? What are the benefits of using Nvidia inside of VSCode as opposed to just nvim?

        • flashgnash@lemm.ee
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          9 months ago

          You get everything Vscode does, vscode’s LSPs, vscode’s element rename/jump to definition (which I realise nvim has but I can’t get it to work properly and code does it out of the box), live share sessions, built in split panes and git integration etc etc

          It carries over everything as far as I can tell (besides the graphical changes obviously), motions, plugins, shortcuts

          I’m sure you can achieve most things Vscode does in neovim but using Vscode/ium and nvim is a massive shortcut

          • mac@infosec.pub
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            9 months ago

            Honestly it seems like you gain nothing but a slightly bloated electron wrapper around NeoVim.

            All those features you listed either work out of the box or require minimal configuration in NeoVim.

            • flashgnash@lemm.ee
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              9 months ago

              As far as I’m aware none of the things I mentioned work out of the box in neovim (jump to definition does but only within the same file which is kinda useless for me