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    Charlie Kirk hates homosexuals so much that the Right Wing Inversion Principle means he must be gay too. He started a movement that acts like a support group to help keep him scared and in the closet.

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        I had no idea sky daddy didn’t like haircuts. But, you know what, I’m relieved. Now I know I’m going to hell, uncertainty be gone. And… and, I can go sporting a fresh trim.

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      I really don’t like comments like this. They imply that queer people are the cause of homophobia.

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        I don’t read it as that… To me it looks like being afraid of leaving the closet causes homophobia

        This is the same principle as small penis men buying large trucks… They are doubling down on the homophobia display to over compensate for their homosexuality

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        Homophobia is the reason some queer people self hate so goddamn much they lash out at all queer people while the original homophobes cheer it on. Also, some people are just awful, terrible monsters regardless of their sexuality.

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          Sure, there are self-hating people of all sorts of marginalized groups, but queer people are the only ones who get regularly talked about as if the people who oppress them are also queer.

          You don’t hear about Muslims being oppressed by secret Muslims.

          I cannot provide evidence for this, obviously, but it would seem to me that most bigots are bigots because they’re bigoted, not because they’re secretly the thing they’re bigoted against.

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            Religion isn’t something intrinsic about a person. If you hate the fact that you’re a Muslim, you can opt out.

            You cannot opt out being queer.

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              Okay then, you don’t hear about white bigots being secretly light-skinned black people. Pick whatever group you want. Queer people are the only one I can think of where it’s regularly claimed that the people bigoted against them are themselves the people they are bigoted against.

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                Yeah, nobody says that people opposed to disability rights are secretly suffering from an invisible disability.

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                Nah it’s a tale as old as time, we used to call it “the one who smelt it dealt it” but the principle is the same. The most fervent and vocal are often just trying to cover their own asses.

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                  Can you name another example where bigotry against a traditionally marginalized minority is virtually always claimed to be coming from that minority?

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            Sure, there are self-hating people of all sorts of marginalized groups, but queer people are the only ones who get regularly talked about as if the people who oppress them are also queer.

            Not true, pedophiles often fall in this category and there is even more evidence of this to justify correlation

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                Not at all… and looking at the rest of your comments I don’t really know what you are fishing for but I don’t want to play your game

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                  I’m not “fishing for” anything. Please don’t make ridiculous accusations about me. If that isn’t what you meant, what did you mean?

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        They imply that queer people are the cause of homophobia.

        I don’t think it would be accurate to call someone like Ted Haggard or Marcus Bachmann or Jerry Falwell Jr “queer”, as they are deeply closeted and conformist presenting. That said, I do see the consequences of prior iterations of conversion therapy produce a group of incredibly violent and sadistic “ex” gay men.

        So I might say that violence against queer people has a cyclical effect and perpetuates homophobia, in the same way that violence against women perpetuates misogyny and violence against pocs perpetuate racism. Some of the people who have had their personalities systematically reshaped through physical and psychological abuse inherit the job of abusing the next generation. They are held up as symbols of the system’s success and granted special privilege on the condition they continue the cycle of violence on behalf of the originators of the system.

        But when you get behind the Ted Haggards and Marcus Bachmans and Falwell Jrs, you’ll routinely find patriarchs fixated on their genetic legacy, who see queer children as a threat to their continued line. The real root of this problem is the fixation on race science and genetic bloodlines. The extremely high opinion that Ronald Reagan or Dick Cheney or Mitt Romney or Donald Trump have of themselves and the desperate need they have for large families that will propagate their own genes leads to this ideological revulsion towards children who won’t also have large families.

        Its the blue blooded aristocrat’s need for racial purity that leads to homophobia. Brutalized ex-gay converts are simply their deputies, in the endless war on their own children and grandchildren in pursuit of even more offspring.

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          As I have said to others- You are talking about 18 actual people vs. every time any person in the news says something homophobic. That’s the problem. There are, if you were to believe what is said, no cishet homophobes. They’re all secretly queer.

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            It’s just a random list, but there have been a lot more.

            The point is, nobody believes they are all gay, just that many of the fervent ones happen to be. Or at the very least they have dabbled in the acts.

            Like catholic church - very anti-gay, get altar boys have been molested at a very high rate.

            So while ‘not all homophobes’, there is certainly a trend. And I dunno, perhaps it should be investigated deeper when you push on it like that.

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              The point is, nobody believes they are all gay,

              And yet, as I said, every single time someone says something homophobic in the media, the claim is that they’re closeted.

              So I think people do believe that. They may not admit they believe it, but what else can be derived from that finger pointing every single time?

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                People do that to Catholic church as well, does that make you feel like EVERY clergy man is a predator?

                It’s just a coincidence, but frequent enough, to make that connection.

                Same as here. And those same homophobes and fragile masculiners will sing praises about well-built male bodies. And keep almost exclusively male company.

                There are people who oppose gay marriage because it works for them politically, but if their base shifted opinions, would support it 100%. But they keep it all on the down low.

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                  People do that to Catholic church as well, does that make you feel like EVERY clergy man is a predator?

                  Sorry, are you saying being a priest is an inherent trait?

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          If that’s how reality works, you can provide me with statistics that show that the majority of homophobes are themselves queer.

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              That first one is paywalled, but I found it here: https://archive.ph/DwLa8#selection-707.0-735.328

              I also find their evidence quite spurious:

              In four studies, the researchers looked at the discrepancies between what people say about their sexual orientation and their implicit sexual orientation based on a reaction-time test. The studies involved college students from Germany and the United States. For the implicit measure, students had to categorize words and pictures flashed onto a computer screen into “gay” or “straight” groups. Words included “gay,” “straight,” “homosexual” and “heterosexual,” while the pictures showed straight and gay couples. Before each trial, participants were primed with the word “me” or “others” flashed momentarily onto a computer screen. The researchers said quicker reaction time for “me” and “gay,” and a slower association of “me” with “straight” would indicate said an implicit gay orientation. [Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents]

              In another experiment, the researchers measured implicit sexual orientation by having participants choose to browse same-sex or opposite-sex photos on a computer screen.

              Questionnaires also teased out the parenting style the participants were exposed to, with students asked how much they agreed or disagreed with statements such as: “I felt controlled and pressured in certain ways;” and “I felt free to be who I am.” To gauge homophobia in a household, students responded to items such as, “It would be upsetting for my mom to find out she was alone with a lesbian” or “My dad avoids gay men whenever possible.”

              Participants indicated their own level of homophobia, both overt and implicit; in word-completion tasks, students wrote down the first three words that came to mind when prompted with some of the words’ letters. Students were primed at some point with the word “gay” to see how that impacted the amount of aggressive words used.

              For example, that last part measured impulsive reactions to things. Someone can have an impulsive negative reaction to the word ‘gay’ for many reasons and not be homophobic. If I’m raised by parents to hate queer people, even if I don’t, I may have an instant visceral reaction to those words (the article even talks about parenting).

              I can say this in my own life- I was raised by a father who was fanatically pro-Israel. I often have an immediate reaction to a criticism of Israel despite my total lack of support for that nation because I spent 18 years being told Israel was the only thing standing between me and Auschwitz. It doesn’t matter that I know that isn’t true. In the spur of the moment, before I realize what my reaction is, I can’t control it. So yeah, if someone used that word on me and told me to instantly write down three words that come to mind, they might be very, very different than if they told me to wait even ten seconds before I wrote down my first word.

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            Just look at the gay prostitution correlation with the RNC convention.

            How do you really not see extreme self hatred in this! Have REALLY never heard of all the homophobic pastors and church leaders being caught up in homosexual sex scandals?

            You’re a grown fucking adult, you seriously just don’t pay attention to anything?

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              “You’re a grown fucking adult” and your anecdotal examples is not evidence that the majority of homophobes are queer.

              I will keep asking this- is there any other oppressed group where you would claim the majority of the people oppressing them are of that group? Are the majority of antisemites Jews? Are a majority of ableists disabled? If not, why is it only queer people who are responsible for their own bigotry?

  • 🔰Hurling⚜️Durling🔱@lemmy.world
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    Jesus - “He who is free of sin cast the first stone”

    Republicans - “Is lying a sin?”

    Jesus - “Yes!”

    Republicans - “FAKE NEWS!!! JESUS IS A COMMUNIST TERRORIST!!!”

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        the idea conservatives killed jesus - it’s a fun take.

        Edit: Not saying its a wrong take, lol, just never thought about it that way

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          I’m not sure how else you’d describe the strict orthodox religious sect that ratted him out or the oligarch governor of a continent spanning empire overseeing a conquered province who rubber stamped a state-managed torture and execution.

          If Jesus were alive today, he’d be living in Guantanamo Bay.

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          The literal definition of conservatives fits the Pharisees to a T.

          You understand they killed him because they were conservatives and didn’t want his “new progressive” ideas from spreading further to the people, correct?

          You’re not even trying here. Or you’re really, really clueless as to what conservatism is in politics throughout history.

          TL;DR; Jesus was a progressive. The people who killed him were conservatives. If Jesus were alive today he’d 100% be a progressive/liberal. His ideas fit neatly within the progressive and liberal ideals, even 2,000 years later. And just like 2,000 years ago, conservatives today would claim he’s the anti-christ and try and murder him to kill his “progressive” ideas.

          We don’t even have to create hypotheticals. We see this with people who actually represent Jesus Christ’s teachings from the book (love everyone equally, don’t judge, don’t horde money, render unto ceasar, help the poor, give up your money to help, don’t build giant churches and temples, don’t be racist, don’t do war, don’t do genocide, etc. etc.), get attacked and death threats from modern day conservatives. Just like the conservatives from B.C.

          Nothing has changed. Because that’s what being a conservative means.

          You understand that right? It’s literally right there in the name.

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      They’ve replaced “thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor” with “the ends shall justify thy means”

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      “Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.”

      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James 5%3A1-6&version=NIV

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      This is one of my favorite Jesus quotes, because it complements the idea that no one but god is free from sin. So no one can judge the sins of others but god and Jesus, but basically all the actual Christians that love it are ignorant on their own religion and think they are free from sin unlike those dang gays and such.

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        Idk if they think they’re free from sins or that they’re forgiven for their sins just because they claim to follow a religion. Either way, they suck.

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    Weird how they pull that shit out of the bible but never:

    “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."

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      Or this one:

      And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

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      They pull that all the time, when they’re talking about the excessive taxes that innocent small business owners are forced to dodge.

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    Ugh, he was falling off so he’s saying some crazy shit for attention. Also the stage sharing was 2021 which was probably the last time he was relevant.

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    Republicans are planning to genocide the LGBT community?

    Sounds serious! So when are democrats going to drop gun control given this imminent threat?

    Work towards peace, prepare for the inevitable. SocialistRA.org