In other news, Discourse, the free forum platform, is now joining the Fediverse.
Yep, Discourse forums will become compatible with Mastodon!
https://meta.discourse.org/t/activitypub-plugin/266794/116
The fact that FlyingSquid declared Meta to be “0% open source” when in fact Meta has been a major contributor to open source suggests that they’re simply saying whatever bad things they can think of saying about Meta, not bothering to ground those things in any real facts. That’s presumably because right now everyone is dumping on Meta and so comments that say bad things about Meta get upvoted without being checked (and comments that says anything as tepid as “maybe Meta is not completely awful” garners downvotes and homophobic attacks, ask me how I know). That’s the hate train I’m talking about.
The motivation of why Meta does what it does doesn’t change what they’re doing. It’s entirely possible for a big giant evil corporation to see benefit in playing nice with an open source ecosystem. My position all along has been to wait and see what they’re going to do before instantly leaping to fragment the Fediverse against them.
Their motivation is more important than what they’re doing. But right now their motivation is to compete with Twitter. The Fediverse is no threat to them because it’s tiny.
There’s your playing nice. They want to feed on ActivityPub data, while only contributing in a per-user opt-in selection. It’s a joke, and both their motivation and what they are doing is absolutely fucked. It’s another cog in their data ingestion machine that they can keep fucking around with, again.
I really can not comprehend why anyone would give this advance of trust to Meta, when all signs are showing you to bail.
So the big fear that existing Fediverse communities will be overrun with Threads content is moot? That seems to be the main concern people have.
I don’t see what the problem with them reading ActivityPub data is. That’s what it’s for. These communities are not private and there was never any need for Threads to integrate ActivityPub for them to “ingest” the content from them.
The problem is not them reading data, but that Threads will take Fediverse content, and display it on Threads. In the opposite direction, Fediverse will only see the select few user content that do actually opt-in, and let’s be honest here, most users won’t know what the Fediverse is, except for again the few people that are on both platforms.
This is absolutely not “playing nice” as you’ve put it before, and purely parasitic and, again, purely a greed decision by Meta.
I don’t really know why you are shilling so hard trying to excuse absolutely unexcusable behavior.
I’m not shilling. As I’ve said repeatedly, I don’t like Meta. But I just don’t see what problem this is. Sitting here on kbin.social, how does it affect me if someone over on Meta is seeing my posts and comments?
Before you talked about the Fediverse as a whole, now from a single user perspective.
IMO it affects the Fediverse as a whole by abusing it. The whole idea is an open network, where instances can federate with each other to bilaterally share information and create a seemingly single platform. This is not the case with the planned Threads integration, because they explicitly plan to feed on the content, but hiding sharing their own content behind an (for most of their userbase) obscure opt-in.
From a single user perspective it doesn’t affect you directly. But it affects the platform you are part of with malicious intent.
I am not against Threads joining the Fediverse, and I do actually think it would be great for the growth of the Fediverse if actual big players join, and if it brings content that I personally do not like to see, I can use the tools available (e.g. blocking user/communities/instances) to hide it. But only if they plan on joining as a “regular instance” like any other - but Meta does not intent doing so, since they have chosen the opt-in with obvious intent of simply gaining additional content on their walled platform for their own gain.
The Fediverse is made up of individual users. If Threads isn’t broadcasting its content out to other instances, how does it affect anyone out there on those other instances? They’ll never see a thing. I used a single example user (myself) simply to illustrate that.
The fact that FlyingSquid declared Meta to be “0% open source” when in fact Meta has been a major contributor to open source suggests that they’re simply saying whatever bad things they can think of saying about Meta, not bothering to ground those things in any real facts. That’s presumably because right now everyone is dumping on Meta and so comments that say bad things about Meta get upvoted without being checked (and comments that says anything as tepid as “maybe Meta is not completely awful” garners downvotes and homophobic attacks, ask me how I know). That’s the hate train I’m talking about.
The motivation of why Meta does what it does doesn’t change what they’re doing. It’s entirely possible for a big giant evil corporation to see benefit in playing nice with an open source ecosystem. My position all along has been to wait and see what they’re going to do before instantly leaping to fragment the Fediverse against them.
Their motivation is more important than what they’re doing. But right now their motivation is to compete with Twitter. The Fediverse is no threat to them because it’s tiny.
https://www.threads.net/@mosseri/post/C051TLnud8U
There’s your playing nice. They want to feed on ActivityPub data, while only contributing in a per-user opt-in selection. It’s a joke, and both their motivation and what they are doing is absolutely fucked. It’s another cog in their data ingestion machine that they can keep fucking around with, again.
I really can not comprehend why anyone would give this advance of trust to Meta, when all signs are showing you to bail.
So the big fear that existing Fediverse communities will be overrun with Threads content is moot? That seems to be the main concern people have.
I don’t see what the problem with them reading ActivityPub data is. That’s what it’s for. These communities are not private and there was never any need for Threads to integrate ActivityPub for them to “ingest” the content from them.
The problem is not them reading data, but that Threads will take Fediverse content, and display it on Threads. In the opposite direction, Fediverse will only see the select few user content that do actually opt-in, and let’s be honest here, most users won’t know what the Fediverse is, except for again the few people that are on both platforms. This is absolutely not “playing nice” as you’ve put it before, and purely parasitic and, again, purely a greed decision by Meta. I don’t really know why you are shilling so hard trying to excuse absolutely unexcusable behavior.
I’m not shilling. As I’ve said repeatedly, I don’t like Meta. But I just don’t see what problem this is. Sitting here on kbin.social, how does it affect me if someone over on Meta is seeing my posts and comments?
Before you talked about the Fediverse as a whole, now from a single user perspective.
IMO it affects the Fediverse as a whole by abusing it. The whole idea is an open network, where instances can federate with each other to bilaterally share information and create a seemingly single platform. This is not the case with the planned Threads integration, because they explicitly plan to feed on the content, but hiding sharing their own content behind an (for most of their userbase) obscure opt-in.
From a single user perspective it doesn’t affect you directly. But it affects the platform you are part of with malicious intent.
I am not against Threads joining the Fediverse, and I do actually think it would be great for the growth of the Fediverse if actual big players join, and if it brings content that I personally do not like to see, I can use the tools available (e.g. blocking user/communities/instances) to hide it. But only if they plan on joining as a “regular instance” like any other - but Meta does not intent doing so, since they have chosen the opt-in with obvious intent of simply gaining additional content on their walled platform for their own gain.
The Fediverse is made up of individual users. If Threads isn’t broadcasting its content out to other instances, how does it affect anyone out there on those other instances? They’ll never see a thing. I used a single example user (myself) simply to illustrate that.