• set_secret@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    i know many of you all just LOVE to hate on Tesla, it’s like the shit flavor of he year for hating and no doubt Elon’s shit fuckery is partially driving it, but honestly this is an absolutely classic Forbes piece of garbage. Firstly, it’s a masterclass in selective bias - focusing solely on Tesla while barely whispering about Ram’s near-similar accident rates. Classic move to sensationalize one brand over another. Then there’s the U.S. only scope, which conveniently ignores the global context which could paint a vastly different picture. The article kicks off with a ‘non-causal’ disclaimer but then spends the rest of the time subtly linking Tesla’s Autopilot to the high accident rate, without concrete evidence. It’s a bit like saying ‘no offense’ before offending someone.

    The Tesla recall is mentioned, sneakily implying a connection to the accident rate, despite the lack of direct correlation. The article is less about informing and more about crafting a narrative that fits a preconceived notion, all while skating on thin ice made of half-truths and strategic omissions.

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        They’re not, though. Elon can suck it but my Tesla is the best vehicle I’ve ever owned and it’s not even close.

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          11 months ago

          I heard that you don’t even have to open the door, you just slide in through a panel gap

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          Are you comparing with other cars at the same price range or cheaper cars?

          I don’t know but based from my experience(since you also commented based on your experience), compared to some other brands although Tesla are better than some cheaper models of other brands, some are better than Tesla if you compared to the models with the same price range

          Yes, some brands might be worse, but Tesla is not quite considered as being the best

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            11 months ago

            Some cheaper, some the same price range.

            What’s your experience based on? Do you own one? Or is this just third-hand?

            I don’t care what it’s considered. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned and I’ve owned Fords, Dodges, VWs, Toyotas, and BMWs.

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          11 months ago

          I love that you were downvoted, for all we know your previous vehicle was a Daewoo or something. A Tesla is likely a better quality vehicle than a Daewoo.

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            You sound like a forbes article

            Edit for clarification. My comment was intended to a be a bit tongue in cheek and its because of this part of the top comment that i made what i thought was clearly a light hearted joke. Sorry if it wasnt so obvious

            The article is less about informing and more about crafting a narrative that fits a preconceived notion, all while skating on thin ice made of half-truths and strategic omissions.

            In response to the assertion of owning a Daewoo. I assumed your comment i replied to was also referencing this quote

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            11 months ago

            Lemmy is pretty toxic. There are 5 opinions allowed on here and your personal experience is irrelevant.

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              11 months ago

              Pretty much. I’m looking through the replies I’ve received, and one says, “You sound like a forbes article” with two upvotes and only one downvote. Why would I continue to contribute to this community if that’s how people are going to act?

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                There’s a small center of people who are actually knowledgeable and courteous here. You just have to wade through the shit and sewage to get to it.

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                  11 months ago

                  Yeah, and I need to get back to blocking people. The signal improved drastically when I was doing that a while back.

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          but my Tesla is the best ve

          Sadly, you’ll never be able to say anything nice about any Musk properties here without massive downvotes by people who wouldn’t purchase anything from Musk.

          The hardware (occasional bad quality control aside) is pretty awesome. My neighbor has one, His holiday update was an absolute hoot. They’re fast, clean, comfortable and are generally long lasting, low maintenance cars.

          When you factor in EV and Price, there’s nothing that stands out as nicer from a pure hardware standpoint.

          They could use a few more buttons inside. When they become disabled on the road, their requirement for you to have them do the towing and taking hours to do so sucks. Suing people over selling their vehicles second hand is pretty bad. No second party repairs allowed is a problem.

          The real 800 lb gorilla in the room is the autopilot. The only redeemable thing about the auto pilot is that it mostly works and it’s pushing the tech forward. They have enough money to lobby congress to make it legal, all those 730+ wrecks and *42+ deaths as horrible as they are, will lead us to the feature being viable eventually.

          *edit: found a newer source

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            I bought mine way before Musk became a right-wing nutjob asshole and wouldn’t buy another of his cars now unless something changed with their leadership structure.

            That doesn’t mean that I can retroactively say the car sucks now. It is a fantastic vehicle. I don’t use Autopilot so that part doesn’t apply (tried it during a trial and wasn’t impressed) but, as a car, I have no qualms.

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              Yeah, I wonder if he became one, or if he was already one and just did a better job at hiding it.

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                11 months ago

                Probably a bit of both. Before the hair plugs, he probably did want to help the world. Now he just wants to help himself.

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          Ah yes a personal anecdote is 100% more valid.

          That said, from what I’ve heard the big problem is the disparity of build quality. Some Tesla’s (like possibly yours) are built amazing. Some others are put together like shit.

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              Every brand isn’t evangelized in the same way the cult of Elon pushed their golden goose. They’re run of the mill or worse than industry averages.

              https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/

              https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-initial-quality-study-iqs

              Couple this with the ridiculous price point on the vehicles and you have apple cars so to that point I can understand the delusional obsession with the brand and supporting it

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                Every brand isn’t evangelized in the same way the cult of Elon pushed their golden goose.

                Maybe, but ask an Alfa Romeo fans about the brand… they are way worse than the Tesla fans… 😉

                They’re run of the mill or worse than industry averages.

                Look, I can tell way worse things about Renault if I look at how my car came out, so ? And I would concede that Tesla is pretty new to mass producted cars. During the years I found many quality problems also with brand that are even more evangelized and have a way longer history.

                Couple this with the ridiculous price point on the vehicles and you have apple cars so to that point I can understand the delusional obsession with the brand and supporting it

                In Italy, a couple of models (Y and 3) are pretty much aligned with other brand’s cars of the same category, so they don’t seems to be that expensive. Or the other brands are too expensive.

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            At least I provided some kind of evidence, even if it’s an anecdote. You made a generalization with absolutely no evidence.

            That’s fine if there’s a disparity but it’s not as common as your statement makes it seem.

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              11 months ago

              Personal experience is not scientific or journalistic fact. As for providing evidence Google it. There’s lots of reputable sites that will tell you their build quality is inconsistent AF as well as they intentionally bully owners to accept shit.

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                Personal experience is still evidence. It’s not objective evidence, which normally would be a problem, but you haven’t provided any whatsoever. “Google it” doesn’t serve as a replacement for it, either.

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                    None of those say what you claimed.

                    Your first Lemmy link just links to an article that says 10 to 20 thousand vehicles. Considering they’ve sold millions, their rates are actually below lots of other manufacturers by volume. They’re not the best by any stretch but they are far from the worst, as you stated.

                    The 2nd is the same - “tens of thousands”. That means less than 1% of their cars sold.

                    The last link has nothing to do with build quality and its source is a LendingTree article based on insurance data that is specious. Their “safest” cars are vehicles that haven’t been produced in over 10 years. They clearly have issues with their data and even have a disclaimer at the top of the source.

                    If you’re going to be a condescending ass, at least get your information straight instead of falling right into the sensationalist bs that you’re complaining about.

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      When this was posted yesterday, I brought up issues with the sample selection (not random) and universe the “study” looked at (people using one of those sites to shop for insurance), and while I think most understood my point, some people got upset at me “defending Tesla drivers”…

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      To be fair, Tesla / Musk spend a LOT of time talking about how they’re autonomous driving product are critical for reducing accidents and saving lives. Also, there isn’t a lot of public quantitative data around this major recall. That’s why they’re getting the headline.

      Maybe autopilot is great, and it’s the non-autopilot drivers that are terrible, but right now, the brand has net accident rate that rivals a company that sells massive rolling blind spots to people who love Calvin pissing stickers.

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      Last time a garbage clickbait hit-piece like this pissed me off, I looked into the crash statistics myself and found Tesla vehicles were around 1/80th the average crash ratio per capita.

      I’m sure this is somewhat skewed by the kinds of people driving them versus the average work vehicles and clunkers out there, but still, it just feels absurdly false to claim Teslas even approach the highest crash rate.

      And even the sketchy “study” not even endorsed by the site it’s posted to, then linked by Forbes, then says Ram vehicles as the highest crash rate (lol), so it’s wild that Forbes goes on to say it’s Tesla at the top spot.

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        Comparing with the per capita means nothing here, you need to compare with other car companies, as comparing to the per capita is like comparing the number of lung cancer deaths to the number of all deaths, of course it’s going to be a very small number, but when you compare with other cancers then you can see that lung cancer is one of biggest killers amongst cancers

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      They also don’t make any adjustment for fault. Tailgating a Tesla is just a bad idea, they brake insanely fast.

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      11 months ago

      Thank you. This is exactly right, it’s a hit piece designed to get people who already don’t like Tesla all worked up… and it worked remarkably well.