Went to a restaurant in LA today and when I got the check I noticed that it was a bit higher than it should be. Then I noticed this 18% service charge. So… We, as customers, need to help pay for their servers instead of the owners paying their servers a living wage. And on top of that they have suggested tip. I called bs on this. I will bet you that the servers do not see a dime of this 18% service charge. [deleted a word so it wasn’t a grammatical horror to read]

  • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
    212·
    1 year ago

    Our understanding of the sun’s composition is absolutely evidence-based.

    https://www.mssl.ucl.ac.uk/www_solar/PUS/PO/howstudy.html#:~:text=The interior of the Sun,this part of the Sun.

    You’re making the assumption that

    1: this money is embezzled by the owner

    2: people are less likely to tip

    You’re also making a third: that servers receiving less pay won’t go elsewhere

    Whereas we extrapolate from data to understand the Sun (moving from evidence to conclusion) you are starting with your expected result and then manufacturing caused (embezzlement, lack of tips)

    This is the opposite of using “logic and reason”

    • CmdrShepard@lemmy.oneEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      I believe you made the argument stating that this is going to reduce server’s wages and if these fees aren’t going to employees and its not the business owner keeping them, then where could that money possibly be going?

      • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        No I said people wanting to move servers to a set hourly wage would reduce their wages.

        • CmdrShepard@lemmy.oneEnglish
          11·
          1 year ago

          But where’s the logic and reason in this opinion? The other guy is “making assumptions” by saying this will improve conditions when they don’t have to beg for tips, and here you’re saying their wages will go down without any facts or evidence immediately after your snarky analogy about the sun’s position. Ridiculous.

          • SCB@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            That’s not the point I was making though. If the servers are tipped less due to this policy (the other person’s claim) and make less money, they’re likely to quit because serving has extremely high turnover anyway

            However -

            Servers regularly are tipped above “target percentages.” This is a fact - especially once you consider places with low cost-per-plate (diners etc). If you pay them 15% of total sales or whatever you’re essentially capping tips at 15%, lowering their wages.