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I am seeing a lot of comments on here but the context not being mentioned is that they were protesting while clocked in or working on the clock.
Google is technically in authority to do that. The article is worded a bit out of context to make the act of protesting an a big company we all find to be evil more evil for letting employees go that were wasting company time.
I get it before you even type it I understand Google isn’t short on money and the time portion won’t effect them but has the employees protested while clocked out this would have been a less likely outcome and I also get it, “yeah they would have fired them anyway.” Sure believe what you want but it doesn’t take away that Google had the authority to fire while the employees were in their time no matter what they were protesting. If I did this at my job and was getting paid they would fire me as well.
EDIT: Lemmy is Reddit but it’s full of users in denial.
Confidentially incorrect: at Google there is no clock in and no clock out (for employees, contractors is different). At Google you can work 1h per day or 20h per day you earn the same. Performances are assessed on the output not on the hour worked.
So, no, find another reason for which Google is right.
Popular topic is “they disrupt other people work by making noise” (of course people can work on a laptop in another place because there is generally no special equipment at the desk but details) or “they destroyed properties… you cannot see in the picture but they destroyed millions of precious bacteria on the floor”
I think that there are two main reasons that caused them to be fired: insubordination since they occupied the CEO’s office and refused to leave when asked (and probably he don’t asked only one time) which led to the second reason, they were arrested for trespassing in the CEO’s office.
As far as I heard (but I am not too familiar) the CEO is essentially never in the office.
Also, according to the video, the office is in California. People were arrested (and fired) in NY as well (where there is no such an office).
Yes, insubordination is the key point. But it’s also the key point of a protest. The take away is that Google doesn’t accept a protest (any more?)
Re trespassing: in the Google offices everyone can pretty much go to any office. They realistically didn’t break into but, sure, they were in an office that wasn’t theirs
“Google pays its employees in two ways: monthly or bi-weekly installments, and bonuses. Google’s compensation structure is based on three components: salary, bonus, and equity. Salary is determined by several factors, including: Role, Level, Location, Cost of labor in the region, and Pay targets.” Literally the first Google (unironically).
I am all for pointing bad things out that companies do but contractors can still be fired or let go if those contractors aren’t meeting performance. Tek Systems is a contractor that does just this.
“Performance is assess on the output.” - my dude you literally just said, “Google can fire them” what is it with the Lemmy brain? It’s a circle jerk in here of people talking about how they are better because they are on a defederated platform using open source tools and software but doing the exact same thing other platforms do. Boxing yourselves in justifying your opinions just to be a part of a group then claiming to have the better opinion that the “shit” you see on Reddit
Lemmy users and the platform are literally no different than others. You aren’t better because you are not a “normie” and don’t have to deal with the consequences of Windows or other OS’s. That doesn’t go without saying there isn’t knowledge and information to share learn from others and Lemmy has knowledge worth listening to but God damn if some people on here aren’t just as likely to just justify their own opinions the same as another platform and for God’s sake I get that it’s the Internet but if you can say that then you are self aware that your opinion is not completely reasonable without discussing it.
I don’t need to find another reason Google isn’t the problem because their are many reasons Google is a problem but this case is being taken out of context. If they were employees disrupting the work place and protesting on company time then Google was within their rights to fire them. If the are contractors then from a quick assessment they clearly were not performing as paid and hired to do so. Google had a right to fire these people no matter what side of the fence you stand on. Does it suck? Sure. I don’t care if you are a down with Google person if you can’t understand this then you are just flat out unreasonable and the same as any other user on any other platform.
This is sort of a shit opinion, IMO. Why should a company have to change the rules to pay me when I am not working on their time?
Keeping people productive on companies time is not a “status quo” it’s working on working time. If these employees had just protested after their shifts Google could have probably still and would have more than likely fired them either way but the point is that it wouldn’t have been on their time giving them less grounds to do so.
Get the fuck out of here with the straw man. Google is and has been a problem in more ways than one but they were within their rights to fire people. This is just a dumb ass question to divert right into your already justified opinion because Google is “evil” and it needs to stay that way but if you can’t see that a company has a right to fire when you are getting paid on their time then you are just as unreasonable.
It sucks for these people but you are just as much in the circlejerk on Lemmy as everyone else if your first statement is a question asking something like this because you can’t discuss it and would rather find any other reasons to just say “But Google bad.” No one is disagreeing with this that Google isn’t a monopoly, powerhouse, and abuses its uses. The point and statement here is that Google had a right to fire them.
corporations are not people. I don’t give a shit about their “rights”, I don’t give a shit about their dignity, abd I don’t give a shit about their assets. why the fuck do you? do you tjinkgoogle gives a shit about your 'rights '? dignity? assets? are you high?
they are doing bad things and need to he stopped.they aren’t people, they do not have feelings, and there is no moral harm from doing anything to one. all is permitted, barring collateral damage, which might be permitted.
there is a moral good in stopping them from doing a bad thing. in making them less efficient at doing the bad thing.
them doing bad thing is bad. there aren’t rules-not for them; I think this is pretty well established. there is no ‘allowed’ or ‘disallowed’ if the rules only apply to one party. your rules-as-substitute-for-morality shit completely breaks down outside a bourgeoise white mid 20th century context; these days its just victim blaming gaslighting bullshit and everybody knows it.
“It wouldn’t be very effective if they did it on their own time.” - well it appears to me it wasn’t very effective doing it on company time.
In fact I would argue that the majority of these stories have a higher impact when they are very much not doing it on company time because then Google fires against the law. There are laws that protect you while protesting or going into a union in certain states. Google has fired numerous times breaking California laws for firing while people are trying to unionize or protest off the company time which I would say is more effective because it garners far more attention.
I am seeing a lot of comments on here but the context not being mentioned is that they were protesting while clocked in or working on the clock.
Google is technically in authority to do that. The article is worded a bit out of context to make the act of protesting an a big company we all find to be evil more evil for letting employees go that were wasting company time.
I get it before you even type it I understand Google isn’t short on money and the time portion won’t effect them but has the employees protested while clocked out this would have been a less likely outcome and I also get it, “yeah they would have fired them anyway.” Sure believe what you want but it doesn’t take away that Google had the authority to fire while the employees were in their time no matter what they were protesting. If I did this at my job and was getting paid they would fire me as well.
EDIT: Lemmy is Reddit but it’s full of users in denial.
Confidentially incorrect: at Google there is no clock in and no clock out (for employees, contractors is different). At Google you can work 1h per day or 20h per day you earn the same. Performances are assessed on the output not on the hour worked.
So, no, find another reason for which Google is right. Popular topic is “they disrupt other people work by making noise” (of course people can work on a laptop in another place because there is generally no special equipment at the desk but details) or “they destroyed properties… you cannot see in the picture but they destroyed millions of precious bacteria on the floor”
I think that there are two main reasons that caused them to be fired: insubordination since they occupied the CEO’s office and refused to leave when asked (and probably he don’t asked only one time) which led to the second reason, they were arrested for trespassing in the CEO’s office.
As far as I heard (but I am not too familiar) the CEO is essentially never in the office.
Also, according to the video, the office is in California. People were arrested (and fired) in NY as well (where there is no such an office).
Yes, insubordination is the key point. But it’s also the key point of a protest. The take away is that Google doesn’t accept a protest (any more?)
Re trespassing: in the Google offices everyone can pretty much go to any office. They realistically didn’t break into but, sure, they were in an office that wasn’t theirs
Maybe, but that not the point.
There are limits though. While you are free to protest, I am entitled to not want you to protest in my home.
“Google pays its employees in two ways: monthly or bi-weekly installments, and bonuses. Google’s compensation structure is based on three components: salary, bonus, and equity. Salary is determined by several factors, including: Role, Level, Location, Cost of labor in the region, and Pay targets.” Literally the first Google (unironically).
I am all for pointing bad things out that companies do but contractors can still be fired or let go if those contractors aren’t meeting performance. Tek Systems is a contractor that does just this.
“Performance is assess on the output.” - my dude you literally just said, “Google can fire them” what is it with the Lemmy brain? It’s a circle jerk in here of people talking about how they are better because they are on a defederated platform using open source tools and software but doing the exact same thing other platforms do. Boxing yourselves in justifying your opinions just to be a part of a group then claiming to have the better opinion that the “shit” you see on Reddit
Lemmy users and the platform are literally no different than others. You aren’t better because you are not a “normie” and don’t have to deal with the consequences of Windows or other OS’s. That doesn’t go without saying there isn’t knowledge and information to share learn from others and Lemmy has knowledge worth listening to but God damn if some people on here aren’t just as likely to just justify their own opinions the same as another platform and for God’s sake I get that it’s the Internet but if you can say that then you are self aware that your opinion is not completely reasonable without discussing it.
I don’t need to find another reason Google isn’t the problem because their are many reasons Google is a problem but this case is being taken out of context. If they were employees disrupting the work place and protesting on company time then Google was within their rights to fire them. If the are contractors then from a quick assessment they clearly were not performing as paid and hired to do so. Google had a right to fire these people no matter what side of the fence you stand on. Does it suck? Sure. I don’t care if you are a down with Google person if you can’t understand this then you are just flat out unreasonable and the same as any other user on any other platform.
That’s the point of protest. The rules are made to keep the status quo, not be good. And some rules suck balls.
This is sort of a shit opinion, IMO. Why should a company have to change the rules to pay me when I am not working on their time?
Keeping people productive on companies time is not a “status quo” it’s working on working time. If these employees had just protested after their shifts Google could have probably still and would have more than likely fired them either way but the point is that it wouldn’t have been on their time giving them less grounds to do so.
does your job support a genocidal theocratic ethnostate?
Get the fuck out of here with the straw man. Google is and has been a problem in more ways than one but they were within their rights to fire people. This is just a dumb ass question to divert right into your already justified opinion because Google is “evil” and it needs to stay that way but if you can’t see that a company has a right to fire when you are getting paid on their time then you are just as unreasonable.
It sucks for these people but you are just as much in the circlejerk on Lemmy as everyone else if your first statement is a question asking something like this because you can’t discuss it and would rather find any other reasons to just say “But Google bad.” No one is disagreeing with this that Google isn’t a monopoly, powerhouse, and abuses its uses. The point and statement here is that Google had a right to fire them.
corporations are not people. I don’t give a shit about their “rights”, I don’t give a shit about their dignity, abd I don’t give a shit about their assets. why the fuck do you? do you tjinkgoogle gives a shit about your 'rights '? dignity? assets? are you high?
they are doing bad things and need to he stopped.they aren’t people, they do not have feelings, and there is no moral harm from doing anything to one. all is permitted, barring collateral damage, which might be permitted.
there is a moral good in stopping them from doing a bad thing. in making them less efficient at doing the bad thing.
them doing bad thing is bad. there aren’t rules-not for them; I think this is pretty well established. there is no ‘allowed’ or ‘disallowed’ if the rules only apply to one party. your rules-as-substitute-for-morality shit completely breaks down outside a bourgeoise white mid 20th century context; these days its just victim blaming gaslighting bullshit and everybody knows it.
It wouldn’t be a very effective protest if they did it on their own time lol
“It wouldn’t be very effective if they did it on their own time.” - well it appears to me it wasn’t very effective doing it on company time.
In fact I would argue that the majority of these stories have a higher impact when they are very much not doing it on company time because then Google fires against the law. There are laws that protect you while protesting or going into a union in certain states. Google has fired numerous times breaking California laws for firing while people are trying to unionize or protest off the company time which I would say is more effective because it garners far more attention.