That makes sense on its face, Chinese imperialism typically takes the form of cultural erasure to promote social harmony and homogeneity. If they want to assimilate the Uyghur peoples then I imagine they would do it economically through changes in their material conditions and jobs, and the CCP clearly has no issues with violently forcing populations to do things they don’t want to.
Thanks for the report :)
Edit: Y’all can downvote me but what I’m saying is objectively true, just look at Tibet. China promotes the Han Chinese culture as the standard through their policies and restrictions on personal freedoms and expression. Didn’t think this would be a hot take.
Pretty normal (and necessary) to have a national language lol. 96% of Tibetans can speak their local language since it’s part of the curriculum, and Tibetan, Uyghur and other local cultures are highly promoted in Chinese media as mandated by the CPC.
promote social harmony
True and good.
cultural erasure […] homogeneity
Do you watch Chunwan? It’s the most watched media in China and its national television, where every year there are displays of traditional Uyghur culture in Xinjiang — dresses, dances, music, etc. Dilraba Dilmurat, the most popular celebrity in China, is of Uyghur descent and performs in those traditional garbs.
Claiming China is “suppressing Uyghur/Tibet culture” or other bs like that is hilarious nonsense to anyone who knows even a little about the country lmfao. If you don’t know about the country you’re speaking about, you should ask questions and look into it instead of parroting imperial core narratives.
Didn’t think this would be a hot take
You’re not on Reddit full of western liberals. Lemmy is a bit more lefty in comparison.
One celebrity giving an annual performance isn’t really convincing to me. What about the limits on children under 18 from participating in religious activities? The restrictions on unauthorized religious gatherings? The demolition of religious sites? The requirement for religious leaders to register with the state? The reduction of teaching traditional languages in favor of the Chinese language? These certainly seem adjacent to cultural erasure to me. These policies all have a chilling effect and make it less likely for non-CCP approved cultures to prosper, and I see no way that is not deliberate.
It’s literally the most watched television program on the planet lmao.
What about the limits on children under 18 from participating in religious activities?
Preventing child abuse and indoctrination is very cool and good actually. Wish I wasn’t exposed to it as a kid.
The demolition of religious sites?
What? Xinjiang has some of the largest mosques in the world lol. And a pretty high ratio of mosques to Muslims (about as high as my own Muslim country’s actually).
The requirement for religious leaders to register with the state?
Good. If the capitalist Russian Federation also continued to suppress the church and its leaders like the USSR did and China does, so much of the population would not have become so religious and reactionary.
What’s with this obsession with relating Uyghur culture to religion? Sure, so long as it’s only adults exposed to religions and it’s consensual, fine, but Xinjiang’s culture is much more than that, as are those of any region where religions are unfortunately still prevalent.
Religions are generally in decline in every place that’s progressing economically, and Xinjiang is no exception. That’s a good thing.
It’s a hot take because while you are right, it’s something that all countries do. It’s just not necessarily the government that does it. Just look at the culture wars in the US. China’s biggest difference is it’s controlled by the government. But it also has nothing to do with Xinjiang. They do it to everyone, Hans Chinese inclusive. Technically that’s what the great leap forward was. First forcing the Hans Chinese people to assimilate to the government’s idea of a unified country. It worked, so they’re pushing it everywhere.
Also, it’s important to note that the only violent enforcement of this was on the Hans Chinese. This was Tian an men. After that they’ve gotten really good at subversion. There was only one suspicious killing in the HK riots for example. For as large a protest as it was, it was largely nonviolent. Compare that with BLM in the States.
Hot take! I think it’s bad when anyone does it, not just China. Crazy, I know lol. I understand that these are the things that come with running a country but that doesn’t mean they are ethical, or even the only options.
Thank you for validating the fact that I am pointing out real things that are actually happening and not just saying “nuh uh” like others have been doing.
Well a problem with your argument is that assimilation is not only not unethical, but absolutely necessary for a functioning society. Imagine if you will for a second if our culture accepted racism and bigotry. It would be necessary to force assimilation on people to stop racism and bigotry. Oh wait, that’s happening right now. We’re literally forcing a culture of acceptance on a culture of racism and bigotry. Is that unethical? Should we stop? Perhaps we should have colored drinking fountains.
The problem you’re having with China is:
The government is the one that’s doing it, instead of naturally letting companies like Disney shove it down people’s throats.
The assimilation is over reaching.
The biggest problem is #2. We don’t know what the fuck that means. Should I be allowed to say the N word if there’s no other racism or bigotry? If there’s no racism and bigotry, is the N word even racist? Yet we enforce word usage today, just words that only have meaning because we give them meaning. yet it’s quite over reaching to censor words no? Where’s the line drawn?
That makes sense on its face, Chinese imperialism typically takes the form of cultural erasure to promote social harmony and homogeneity. If they want to assimilate the Uyghur peoples then I imagine they would do it economically through changes in their material conditions and jobs, and the CCP clearly has no issues with violently forcing populations to do things they don’t want to.
Thanks for the report :)
Edit: Y’all can downvote me but what I’m saying is objectively true, just look at Tibet. China promotes the Han Chinese culture as the standard through their policies and restrictions on personal freedoms and expression. Didn’t think this would be a hot take.
Pretty normal (and necessary) to have a national language lol. 96% of Tibetans can speak their local language since it’s part of the curriculum, and Tibetan, Uyghur and other local cultures are highly promoted in Chinese media as mandated by the CPC.
True and good.
Do you watch Chunwan? It’s the most watched media in China and its national television, where every year there are displays of traditional Uyghur culture in Xinjiang — dresses, dances, music, etc. Dilraba Dilmurat, the most popular celebrity in China, is of Uyghur descent and performs in those traditional garbs.
Here’s one of her performances
Claiming China is “suppressing Uyghur/Tibet culture” or other bs like that is hilarious nonsense to anyone who knows even a little about the country lmfao. If you don’t know about the country you’re speaking about, you should ask questions and look into it instead of parroting imperial core narratives.
You’re not on Reddit full of western liberals. Lemmy is a bit more lefty in comparison.
TIL China’s Chunwan/Gala is the most watched television program in the world. Damn.
One celebrity giving an annual performance isn’t really convincing to me. What about the limits on children under 18 from participating in religious activities? The restrictions on unauthorized religious gatherings? The demolition of religious sites? The requirement for religious leaders to register with the state? The reduction of teaching traditional languages in favor of the Chinese language? These certainly seem adjacent to cultural erasure to me. These policies all have a chilling effect and make it less likely for non-CCP approved cultures to prosper, and I see no way that is not deliberate.
It’s literally the most watched television program on the planet lmao.
Preventing child abuse and indoctrination is very cool and good actually. Wish I wasn’t exposed to it as a kid.
What? Xinjiang has some of the largest mosques in the world lol. And a pretty high ratio of mosques to Muslims (about as high as my own Muslim country’s actually).
Good. If the capitalist Russian Federation also continued to suppress the church and its leaders like the USSR did and China does, so much of the population would not have become so religious and reactionary.
What’s with this obsession with relating Uyghur culture to religion? Sure, so long as it’s only adults exposed to religions and it’s consensual, fine, but Xinjiang’s culture is much more than that, as are those of any region where religions are unfortunately still prevalent.
Religions are generally in decline in every place that’s progressing economically, and Xinjiang is no exception. That’s a good thing.
Acknowledging the downvotes doesn’t make this comment any less cringe or misinformed lol
This is bullshit. You’ve been taken for a fool.
It’s a hot take because while you are right, it’s something that all countries do. It’s just not necessarily the government that does it. Just look at the culture wars in the US. China’s biggest difference is it’s controlled by the government. But it also has nothing to do with Xinjiang. They do it to everyone, Hans Chinese inclusive. Technically that’s what the great leap forward was. First forcing the Hans Chinese people to assimilate to the government’s idea of a unified country. It worked, so they’re pushing it everywhere.
Also, it’s important to note that the only violent enforcement of this was on the Hans Chinese. This was Tian an men. After that they’ve gotten really good at subversion. There was only one suspicious killing in the HK riots for example. For as large a protest as it was, it was largely nonviolent. Compare that with BLM in the States.
Hot take! I think it’s bad when anyone does it, not just China. Crazy, I know lol. I understand that these are the things that come with running a country but that doesn’t mean they are ethical, or even the only options.
Thank you for validating the fact that I am pointing out real things that are actually happening and not just saying “nuh uh” like others have been doing.
Well a problem with your argument is that assimilation is not only not unethical, but absolutely necessary for a functioning society. Imagine if you will for a second if our culture accepted racism and bigotry. It would be necessary to force assimilation on people to stop racism and bigotry. Oh wait, that’s happening right now. We’re literally forcing a culture of acceptance on a culture of racism and bigotry. Is that unethical? Should we stop? Perhaps we should have colored drinking fountains.
The problem you’re having with China is:
The government is the one that’s doing it, instead of naturally letting companies like Disney shove it down people’s throats.
The assimilation is over reaching.
The biggest problem is #2. We don’t know what the fuck that means. Should I be allowed to say the N word if there’s no other racism or bigotry? If there’s no racism and bigotry, is the N word even racist? Yet we enforce word usage today, just words that only have meaning because we give them meaning. yet it’s quite over reaching to censor words no? Where’s the line drawn?