Do they suck? Tesla is king when it comes to efficiency. I hate it, I’m in the market for EV and while I’m buying a car on paper of the same spec and at half price… It is a worse car and I wish someone else did model 3 but not tesla.
Hopefully Lucid or Xiaomi (yes I’d sooner give money to them than Musk) come soon enough.
I prefer my cars with quality testing, hardware that is not consumer grade that lasts more than a year, and mechanical doors so if the battery dies after buckling a kid in the car seat they aren’t trapped in the vehicle with the only option to smash the window. I’d love to live in fear with no guarantee the steering wheel won’t fall off while I’m driving on the highway.
Not to be that guy… But that’s not a thing? Teslas last practically forever by the current standards. 3 hasn’t been around that long to say the same thing.
But also, there is door release for the very thing you’re describing. If owners of the car don’t know it, the fuck are they doing owning a car? To me it’s unthinkable for someone to not know how to open their boot from inside or disengage the dead bolt from inside. That’s just next level stupid. If we were to never touch a car with no defects, we’d be still relying on horses.
Dislike Tesla all you want, he’ll, I’m with you. But not when you use examples like this. Use actual negatives.
The truck is shit, but I’m with ya on the Model 3. I have a friend with one and it feels nice to ride in. I like the air in front, you can have the air streams come out however you want. Whatever the “go from being stopped to INSANELY FAST SUDDENLY AAAAAAAA” mode is, blew me away. Both my partner and I shrieked—we had never felt that kind of acceleration before.
Have I got a life-changing revelation for you: that acceleration is the hallmark of EVs. You literally could not design an EV with bad acceleration unless you actively limit it. Any EV has that acceleration, not just the Model 3.
Totally untrue. Yes, lots of low end torque is a hallmark of EVs, but there’s still a wide range of how much, and a corresponding range of timing results.
Can you show me a similarity priced EV that goes from 0-60 in like three seconds? I’ve been in other EVs and they all have great instant torque, but none of them had that kind of acceleration.
The MG4 Xpower and the Smart #1 AMG are lower price but have slightly lower acceleration (high 3s, low 4s). Chinese made and the build quality and software are not great and sometimes gimmicky.
The BYD seal has a performance model for a similar price, but it’s somewhat slower (still high 3s). Super gimmicky software, bit buggy still. And soon to be hit with tariffs in many markets.
The BMW i4 M50 is the closest match in performance and size, but costs 20 to 30% more. Better quality and suspension tho.
For raw performance, the Kia6 GT and Hyundai ionic 5 N are slightly faster, also cost around 20% more, but have more room inside. Similar build quality, but the software sucks.
For significantly more performance you have to go to a Porsche Taycan Turbo or Turbo S, costing between 3 and 4 times more.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown! I knew the other poster wouldn’t provide. I don’t wanna defend any muskrat shit but for the price, the model 3’s performance really is the most insane when it comes to 0-60. I couldn’t believe how it felt. I know instant torque is a feature of every electric car, but a ~3s 0-60 is bonkers.
I think the tires are a part of that too. I have an old V6 Camry with plenty of vroom, but apparently the tires I got are shit because if I floored it I’d be spinning the tires.
Well, not only those cars suck but also he starts to ignore the ecology part 🤷♂️
Do they suck? Tesla is king when it comes to efficiency. I hate it, I’m in the market for EV and while I’m buying a car on paper of the same spec and at half price… It is a worse car and I wish someone else did model 3 but not tesla.
Hopefully Lucid or Xiaomi (yes I’d sooner give money to them than Musk) come soon enough.
I prefer my cars with quality testing, hardware that is not consumer grade that lasts more than a year, and mechanical doors so if the battery dies after buckling a kid in the car seat they aren’t trapped in the vehicle with the only option to smash the window. I’d love to live in fear with no guarantee the steering wheel won’t fall off while I’m driving on the highway.
Not to be that guy… But that’s not a thing? Teslas last practically forever by the current standards. 3 hasn’t been around that long to say the same thing.
But also, there is door release for the very thing you’re describing. If owners of the car don’t know it, the fuck are they doing owning a car? To me it’s unthinkable for someone to not know how to open their boot from inside or disengage the dead bolt from inside. That’s just next level stupid. If we were to never touch a car with no defects, we’d be still relying on horses.
Dislike Tesla all you want, he’ll, I’m with you. But not when you use examples like this. Use actual negatives.
It is they didn’t use automotive grade parts causing their screens to yellow
Toddlers can’t open doors. How do you expect them to find an emergency latch? Battery dies after your child is in the car and you are walking to them to get them out or away to start driving and the battery dies your kinda fucked.
Well yes, especially when talking about reliability, they do not have very good scores.
They are just over complicated
The truck is shit, but I’m with ya on the Model 3. I have a friend with one and it feels nice to ride in. I like the air in front, you can have the air streams come out however you want. Whatever the “go from being stopped to INSANELY FAST SUDDENLY AAAAAAAA” mode is, blew me away. Both my partner and I shrieked—we had never felt that kind of acceleration before.
Have I got a life-changing revelation for you: that acceleration is the hallmark of EVs. You literally could not design an EV with bad acceleration unless you actively limit it. Any EV has that acceleration, not just the Model 3.
Totally untrue. Yes, lots of low end torque is a hallmark of EVs, but there’s still a wide range of how much, and a corresponding range of timing results.
Can you show me a similarity priced EV that goes from 0-60 in like three seconds? I’ve been in other EVs and they all have great instant torque, but none of them had that kind of acceleration.
Depends how similar the pricing should be.
The MG4 Xpower and the Smart #1 AMG are lower price but have slightly lower acceleration (high 3s, low 4s). Chinese made and the build quality and software are not great and sometimes gimmicky.
The BYD seal has a performance model for a similar price, but it’s somewhat slower (still high 3s). Super gimmicky software, bit buggy still. And soon to be hit with tariffs in many markets.
The BMW i4 M50 is the closest match in performance and size, but costs 20 to 30% more. Better quality and suspension tho.
For raw performance, the Kia6 GT and Hyundai ionic 5 N are slightly faster, also cost around 20% more, but have more room inside. Similar build quality, but the software sucks.
For significantly more performance you have to go to a Porsche Taycan Turbo or Turbo S, costing between 3 and 4 times more.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown! I knew the other poster wouldn’t provide. I don’t wanna defend any muskrat shit but for the price, the model 3’s performance really is the most insane when it comes to 0-60. I couldn’t believe how it felt. I know instant torque is a feature of every electric car, but a ~3s 0-60 is bonkers.
Once it’s under 6 seconds who cares? I personally don’t even want all the old people in Model 3s going 0-60 in 3 seconds.
Who cares? Apparently OP cares, hence they asked the question.
A car with 3s 0-100 accelerates TWICE as fast as one that does 6s. I say a 100% difference is quite noticeable.
Lotta upvotes for being wrong…
The base ID4 has very slow acceleration, around 8 s to 100 km/h.
I think the tires are a part of that too. I have an old V6 Camry with plenty of vroom, but apparently the tires I got are shit because if I floored it I’d be spinning the tires.
Not the tires alone, but also the weight and 4 wheel drive. Model 3 weights some 2 metric tons, it adds a lot into traction
Did Toyota make the v6 awd? That and several hundred pounds of batteries make huge differences in tire spin.
Edit: never mind, I didn’t realize the model 3 was rwd or awd. You might be on to something with tires.
Pretty sure there’s also traction control preventing spinning tires