The judge, it seems, is flying by the seat of his pants a bit, as he also said that businesses and individuals using VPN’s to access Xitter, would be fined $9k a day or something like that. Not sure how he thinks VPN’s work. I guess they can institute the Brazil wide block, then watch to see what accounts from Brasil are updating after the block, then make the case they must be using VPN’s to circumnavigate the block, but that’s A WHOLE FUCKTON of surveillance, enforcement and prosecution, I’m not sure Brazil’s courts are up for.
Judge has the right idea here, fuck Elon Musk, and fuck Xitter, it is not a sovereign nation, it is a communications company poisoning and allowing through racist incitement the poisoning of the body politic of the entire free world, and should be held to task.
Order was amended, that’s not longer the case. If you copy+paste an order saying that, say, Chiquita can’t do business in Brazil any more you’d also attach such conditions, that Brazilian companies are forbidden from circumventing the ban by making business with Chiquita outside of Brazil. So it’s more of a “oh that part doesn’t make sense in this case” situation, not “let me come up with something extraordinary to make things worse”.
Blocking things without outlawing VPN access is quite easy: Tell ISPs to take twitter off their DNS servers, with infrastructure the size of twitter you can also blackhole their whole IP range so they’re unreachable even if you use a non-brazilian DNS server.
Blocking VPNs? Well you could tell VPNs that they’re ISPs and also need to block twitter for their Brazilian customers. That’d actually make sense. Wouldn’t affect the likes of tor at all.
with infrastructure the size of twitter you can also blackhole their whole IP range
Just one note, services the size of Twitter typically use cloud infrastructure so if you block that indiscriminately you risk blocking a lot of unrelated stuff.
Their load balancers are at least bound to have dedicated addresses, maybe IP range was a bit overzealous.
In any case it’s not going to be an issue of blocking port 80 on one IP and finding out that it serves five hundred semi-unrelated domains. Unrelated short of all using the same wordpress or whatnot hoster, that is.
short of all using the same wordpress or whatnot hoster, that is.
That’s the thing, that’s common practice. It’s basically a given nowadays for shared web hosting to use one IP for a few dozen websites, or for a service to leverage a load/geo-balancer with 20 IPs into a CDN serving static assets for thousands of domains.
This is related to senators breaking the laws and messing with elections. It’s not about fines for the general population, it’s about finding and punishing big offenders.
The judge, it seems, is flying by the seat of his pants a bit, as he also said that businesses and individuals using VPN’s to access Xitter, would be fined $9k a day or something like that. Not sure how he thinks VPN’s work. I guess they can institute the Brazil wide block, then watch to see what accounts from Brasil are updating after the block, then make the case they must be using VPN’s to circumnavigate the block, but that’s A WHOLE FUCKTON of surveillance, enforcement and prosecution, I’m not sure Brazil’s courts are up for.
Judge has the right idea here, fuck Elon Musk, and fuck Xitter, it is not a sovereign nation, it is a communications company poisoning and allowing through racist incitement the poisoning of the body politic of the entire free world, and should be held to task.
They don’t need to chase down Raul tweeting his cat pics.
They only to pull the plug on advertisers, maybe the top 100 users .
the fine is unenforceable both from practical and legal perspective, and probably only to scare people
Order was amended, that’s not longer the case. If you copy+paste an order saying that, say, Chiquita can’t do business in Brazil any more you’d also attach such conditions, that Brazilian companies are forbidden from circumventing the ban by making business with Chiquita outside of Brazil. So it’s more of a “oh that part doesn’t make sense in this case” situation, not “let me come up with something extraordinary to make things worse”.
Blocking things without outlawing VPN access is quite easy: Tell ISPs to take twitter off their DNS servers, with infrastructure the size of twitter you can also blackhole their whole IP range so they’re unreachable even if you use a non-brazilian DNS server.
Blocking VPNs? Well you could tell VPNs that they’re ISPs and also need to block twitter for their Brazilian customers. That’d actually make sense. Wouldn’t affect the likes of tor at all.
Just one note, services the size of Twitter typically use cloud infrastructure so if you block that indiscriminately you risk blocking a lot of unrelated stuff.
Their load balancers are at least bound to have dedicated addresses, maybe IP range was a bit overzealous.
In any case it’s not going to be an issue of blocking port 80 on one IP and finding out that it serves five hundred semi-unrelated domains. Unrelated short of all using the same wordpress or whatnot hoster, that is.
That’s the thing, that’s common practice. It’s basically a given nowadays for shared web hosting to use one IP for a few dozen websites, or for a service to leverage a load/geo-balancer with 20 IPs into a CDN serving static assets for thousands of domains.
This is related to senators breaking the laws and messing with elections. It’s not about fines for the general population, it’s about finding and punishing big offenders.