The Cooper Davis Act would force tech companies to report suspected drug activity to the government. Experts say it would be a disaster for digital privacy.

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    What about pedophilia? Should we also let it go when we give up all investigations on drugs?

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      So, what specifically makes combating drugs (not specific ones, just drugs in general) good, and how is it comparable to fighting pedophilia? And is it important enough to encroach on individual rights like privacy and due process?

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        So, what specifically makes combating drugs good?

        Did your elementary school not teach that drugs are bad? Just asking, I can point you to another number of sources if you want proof.

        and how is it comparable to fighting pedophilia?

        Both are crimes largely committed through the internet.

        And is it important enough to encroach on individual rights like privacy and due process?

        Necessary evil. Go too far in the human rights narrative and society crumbles.

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          LOL, the argument drugs is bad cause death is a elementary school level of reasoning, the world is more complex than that.

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          Did your elementary school not teach that drugs are bad?

          I see, so you think elementary school is valid jurisprudence. This says everything about your ability to form logical conclusions.

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            I see, so you think drugs are good. This says everything about your ability to form logical conclusions.

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              I see, so you think drugs are good. This says everything about your ability to form logical conclusions.

              Thank you for demonstrating my point.

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              I think our government is over stepping their bounds. My body my choice. They aren’t doing this to go after kids. They are doing this to put more bodies in jail. If they cared about the well being of people then they would be making programs or other such things to help people. This proposal to hand over our info is only to hurt us.

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          Schools say all sorts of stuff, then you grow up and find out it was mostly BS.

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        “Fuck the children” is exactly the vibe I’m getting from this thread. They’ll have a good life being raised by drug addicts and then sold to some human trafficker.

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          drugs are much more complex than “doing them is bad” and banning encrypted messanging apps and implementing surveillance does very little in terms of capturing pedos, while people who use them for legitamate reasons are screwed over

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            Scroll up and find the part where I said to ban encrypted messaging. You’ll find the following sentence instead “spying is bad”.

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              You didn’t say it, yes. But established survaillance can be countered by encrypted messanging apps, so the next logical step is to ban them. In fact, the US has been trying to do so for a long time now and the same excuse is always given - “think of the children”. There’s a video by Louis Rossmann and another one by Mental Outlaw, both going into detail about why this is just that, an excuse. Survaillance isn’t normal and should not be normalised.

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                  Every country has survaillance, US just makes the most noise with laws being passed. It’s the principle that matters - once other countries see that a certain law allows them to monitor people more closely, they’ll want to pass their version of that law. Australia is basically a Police State, UK also has very privacy-invasive laws.

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          Perhaps you might consider asking what we ought to do instead of continuing the failed war on drugs?

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      I’d point out that this is a classic ‘waddabout the children’ non sequitur, but you already know that.

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      Pedophiles harm other people. Selling drugs that are inspected and tested not to contain additives and are of a set potency would do wonders preventing accidental overdoses. The taxes made off of the legal sale of drugs can be used for education and harm reduction programs.