Parents should be automatic accomplices if a weapon they own is used by their child if there was no forced entry to the gun safe, because they clearly didn’t secure it from the child properly.
My sister used to watch over my mother’s shoulder as she entered the combination to her medication safe (cancer pain meds). Kids are sneaky and you have to be way, way more careful than you expect.
No, you have to be not stupid and realize they are sneaky little fuckers.
It’s not like most gun safes are just sitting out in the kitchen or living room, especially in a household with kids. So kick them out of your bedroom and close the door while you’re retrieving the firearms so they can’t see the combination.
Also biometric safes are pretty common these days, then you can keep the backup physical key in a safe deposit box at the bank or even with a friend.
Fwiw I would never store my guns in electronics dependent safes, which have their own caveats too. A device that sent alrets when a safe or case is opened is an idea im sure im not the first one to have and could be a reasonable requirement for firearm owners.
They should make a device that detects when a safe or case is opened and sends alerts to your phone. Honesty seems easy as heck could be a college level project to design something you could retrofit on safes. Then theres no way anyone properly storing weapons could claim they didn’t know.
Yup. Say the gun safe is in a bedroom or a closet, you could put the sensor on the bedroom or closet door, but that would generate false alerts.
If you put the sensor on the outside of the cabinet, it could just be removed. Tape the two halves of the sensor together and pry them off. As long as they don’t separate, it wouldn’t trigger.
If you are paranoid you can literally just take one of those Ring indoor cameras and put it on top of your safe. The app includes custom notifications on detected motion.
Now, the kid could still go out of their way to disable the home WiFi or something but that level of premeditation is a different problem entirely.
First preference would be educating your kids on the safe handling of guns from an early age and inculcating in them a set of values that shows guns are for defensive purposes and not for interpersonal conflict resolution.
The secondary strategy is storing your firearms in a locked safe the kids do not know the combination to, in a locked room to which they don’t have a key.
Parents should be automatic accomplices if a weapon they own is used by their child if there was no forced entry to the gun safe, because they clearly didn’t secure it from the child properly.
They should get accomplice anyway for raising this kid having guns in the house a year after the police come to your door is willful negligence
My sister used to watch over my mother’s shoulder as she entered the combination to her medication safe (cancer pain meds). Kids are sneaky and you have to be way, way more careful than you expect.
No, you have to be not stupid and realize they are sneaky little fuckers.
It’s not like most gun safes are just sitting out in the kitchen or living room, especially in a household with kids. So kick them out of your bedroom and close the door while you’re retrieving the firearms so they can’t see the combination.
Also biometric safes are pretty common these days, then you can keep the backup physical key in a safe deposit box at the bank or even with a friend.
There is such a thing as a biometric gun safe. If you have children and guns, get one and keep your guns in it.
Fwiw I would never store my guns in electronics dependent safes, which have their own caveats too. A device that sent alrets when a safe or case is opened is an idea im sure im not the first one to have and could be a reasonable requirement for firearm owners.
Quite a few biometric safes are garbage though.
https://youtu.be/Y-lE4Tz2I_Y
They should make a device that detects when a safe or case is opened and sends alerts to your phone. Honesty seems easy as heck could be a college level project to design something you could retrofit on safes. Then theres no way anyone properly storing weapons could claim they didn’t know.
You can do this with most DIY alarm systems. Mount a door sensor inside the cabinet, triggers when opened.
Useful for liquor cabinets too.
https://ring.com/products/alarm-window-door-contact-sensor-v2
I’d think the trick with a gun cabinet is they’re metal and you’d have to find some way to maintain connectivity when closed.
Couldn’t you put the sensor on the outside?
Or better yet, if the gun safe is in its own area with a door to separate it, put the sensor on that door
Yup. Say the gun safe is in a bedroom or a closet, you could put the sensor on the bedroom or closet door, but that would generate false alerts.
If you put the sensor on the outside of the cabinet, it could just be removed. Tape the two halves of the sensor together and pry them off. As long as they don’t separate, it wouldn’t trigger.
If you are paranoid you can literally just take one of those Ring indoor cameras and put it on top of your safe. The app includes custom notifications on detected motion.
Now, the kid could still go out of their way to disable the home WiFi or something but that level of premeditation is a different problem entirely.
First preference would be educating your kids on the safe handling of guns from an early age and inculcating in them a set of values that shows guns are for defensive purposes and not for interpersonal conflict resolution.
The secondary strategy is storing your firearms in a locked safe the kids do not know the combination to, in a locked room to which they don’t have a key.