Where. I keep reading it over and over and the only one I can find is someone derisively commenting on “the same way it applies to other streamers”.
Twitch guidelines are basically written in such a way that they can just freely do whatever they want and this “rule change” seems to continue in that spirit, singling out vtubers.
So the model has to meet a new decency standard that’s higher than they demand of streamers who show their real bodies?
Sorry I’m just confused if they are saying the digital model needs to cover the caster’s real hips, or if the digital model needs to be wearing clothes.
As you can tell I’m pretty far from this universe :)
The rules apply to everyone and they’re not new rules by any means. Just do it in the proper category and you’re good. The rules may be silly but they’re not targeting Vtubers in particular. It’s not that complicated, really.
Arguably twitch should do some kind of Twitch+ that’s basically OF. Given how much money it brings in though, it might be easier to convince them to do a “TwitchKids” and leave “Twitch” as the OF.
As much as I’d love that idea, I would guess there are financial reasons to not allow things like that, as both advertisers and credit card companies seem to really hate erotic and erotic adjacent media.
Chargebacks are a huge pain in the ass and everyone involved hates doing them. The chargeback fees are supposed to be a disincentive to curb the behavior. It’s mostly automated now, but there’s a whole “accusation/response/appeal” process that businesses need to actively participate in or risk just getting money clawed back Everytime a chargeback happens, regardless of reason. This causes friction between merchants and payment processors that sometimes leads to one dropping the other. Being in a business where chargebacks happen a lot requires a commensurate amount of work. They suck. (Yes, I’ve worked in this realm. Even when it’s all automated and works well, it still sucks).
VTubers are simply people using 2D or 3D avatars that move using face tracking technology.
The issue at hand is that many VTubers have skimpy outfits but many of them are classy, i.e. not overly sexual. Furthermore, the content they produce is SFW even if at times they talk or joke about NSFW topics. Most of the time VTubers just engage in chat, gaming or reaction videos. And the official with Twitch’s new rules is that changing a VTuber model requires hiring a digital artist and a model animator aka “rigger”. These are super expensive, many of those models can cost thousands of dollars to make. So when Twitch days “cover your hips or be banned”, VTubers whose models have FROM THE BEGINNING shown hips, now have to pay artists and riggers a huge amount of cash simply to cover themselves up.
To make things worse, Twitch’s rules are arbitrary and unpredictable. Who knows if tomorrow they’ll have to cover their shoulders? Cover their cleavage? Skirts below the knee? You don’t know, and every single time Twitch updates their TOS, VTubers have to spend money just to stay in the business. The least Twitch could do is state a fixed, immutable set of rules so VTubers can design their own outfits without fear of being targeted by Twitch’s sharia police. But that doesn’t happen. Twitch rules keep changing over and over, but mysteriously they never affect women wearing super tiny bikinis and showing off their sexy bodies in their pools and hot tubs section.
That’s the issue. That Twitch’s TOS are not only unpredictable, but inconsistently enforced. One could say managers don’t like VTubers and engage in these practices to virtually kick them off their platform.
TL;DR: VTubers are NOT porn. And yet, Twitch is selectively enforcing these rules against VTubers while completely allowing exactly the same - or even much more sexualized - content for IRL streamers in their bath tubs and pools section.
WTF is a vtuber?
Ain’t twitch notorious for having ehags using thrist traps against juveniles?
Shouldn’t this be done on OF and be 18 over?
vtubers are streamers or content creators that use a puppeted avatar, instead of camera feed of their real face/body.
Some avatars are quite risque, but this rule apparently only applies to the avatars, while the real stuff is still fair game.
WTF.
I guess their biz model is in fact ehags then…
This is just false, the policy applies to both real people and avatars. It’s even in the article if you bothered to read it.
Their policies are mostly fine, it’s the lackluster and cherrypicking enforcement that is the problem.
Where. I keep reading it over and over and the only one I can find is someone derisively commenting on “the same way it applies to other streamers”.
Twitch guidelines are basically written in such a way that they can just freely do whatever they want and this “rule change” seems to continue in that spirit, singling out vtubers.
So the model has to meet a new decency standard that’s higher than they demand of streamers who show their real bodies?
Sorry I’m just confused if they are saying the digital model needs to cover the caster’s real hips, or if the digital model needs to be wearing clothes.
As you can tell I’m pretty far from this universe :)
Yes, the model. Vtubers typically don’t show their real appearance. Some do, but some don’t.
The rules apply to everyone and they’re not new rules by any means. Just do it in the proper category and you’re good. The rules may be silly but they’re not targeting Vtubers in particular. It’s not that complicated, really.
Arguably twitch should do some kind of Twitch+ that’s basically OF. Given how much money it brings in though, it might be easier to convince them to do a “TwitchKids” and leave “Twitch” as the OF.
As much as I’d love that idea, I would guess there are financial reasons to not allow things like that, as both advertisers and credit card companies seem to really hate erotic and erotic adjacent media.
They mostly hate them because people tend to do chargebacks when other people find out they made those purchases.
Or they do chargebacks in the wake of post nut clarity when they regret giving money to an OF.
Why would that bother them? They charge vendors for chargebacks.
Chargebacks are a huge pain in the ass and everyone involved hates doing them. The chargeback fees are supposed to be a disincentive to curb the behavior. It’s mostly automated now, but there’s a whole “accusation/response/appeal” process that businesses need to actively participate in or risk just getting money clawed back Everytime a chargeback happens, regardless of reason. This causes friction between merchants and payment processors that sometimes leads to one dropping the other. Being in a business where chargebacks happen a lot requires a commensurate amount of work. They suck. (Yes, I’ve worked in this realm. Even when it’s all automated and works well, it still sucks).
Okay, here’s the full explanation for you:
VTubers are simply people using 2D or 3D avatars that move using face tracking technology.
The issue at hand is that many VTubers have skimpy outfits but many of them are classy, i.e. not overly sexual. Furthermore, the content they produce is SFW even if at times they talk or joke about NSFW topics. Most of the time VTubers just engage in chat, gaming or reaction videos. And the official with Twitch’s new rules is that changing a VTuber model requires hiring a digital artist and a model animator aka “rigger”. These are super expensive, many of those models can cost thousands of dollars to make. So when Twitch days “cover your hips or be banned”, VTubers whose models have FROM THE BEGINNING shown hips, now have to pay artists and riggers a huge amount of cash simply to cover themselves up.
To make things worse, Twitch’s rules are arbitrary and unpredictable. Who knows if tomorrow they’ll have to cover their shoulders? Cover their cleavage? Skirts below the knee? You don’t know, and every single time Twitch updates their TOS, VTubers have to spend money just to stay in the business. The least Twitch could do is state a fixed, immutable set of rules so VTubers can design their own outfits without fear of being targeted by Twitch’s sharia police. But that doesn’t happen. Twitch rules keep changing over and over, but mysteriously they never affect women wearing super tiny bikinis and showing off their sexy bodies in their pools and hot tubs section.
That’s the issue. That Twitch’s TOS are not only unpredictable, but inconsistently enforced. One could say managers don’t like VTubers and engage in these practices to virtually kick them off their platform.
TL;DR: VTubers are NOT porn. And yet, Twitch is selectively enforcing these rules against VTubers while completely allowing exactly the same - or even much more sexualized - content for IRL streamers in their bath tubs and pools section.