Even gamers nexus’ Steve today said that they’re about to start doing Linux games performance testing soon. It’s happening, y’all, the year of the Linux desktop is upon us. ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ

Edit: just wanted to clarify that Steve from GN didn’t precisely say they’re starting to test soon, he said they will start WHEN the steam OS releases and is adopted. Sorry about that.

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    Whelp I tried to switch several years ago to PopOS! as daily driver. Everything was fine and dandy until I tried to use the side buttons of my Razer mouse or my Keychron M3. Short story: not plug-and-play-able. This is a non negotiable feature for me. Maybe I’ll find some motivation between the years to tinker again…

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    The only bastion left is anticheat. Everything else are just (bad) old habits fueled by marketing.

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      Anti-cheat systems already have to make changes, since Microsoft have plans to significantly restrict kernel mode access after the major Crowdstrike issues earlier in the year. Kernel mode code is very invasive, difficult to get correct, and can result in major security holes or stability issues if not written correctly.

      A bug in userland code may crash that one app. A bug in kernel mode code can (and often does) cause bluescreens, that people blame Microsoft for. I’m sure they’re tired of being blamed for buggy code written by other companies.

      Running the anti cheat code in userland will (in theory) make it easier to run on other OSes too.

      https://www.notebookcheck.net/Microsoft-paves-the-way-for-Linux-gaming-success-with-plan-that-would-kill-kernel-level-anti-cheat.888345.0.html

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      …and VR. VR is already finicky on its own, gaming on Linux can be finicky in different ways, and the issues multiply if you have two things like that.

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        Tends to depend on the headset you own, some work perfectly. Also, Valve is very likely releasing a headset based on SteamOS, which should help.

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        I work in VR, I play in VR, including Windows games, all on Linux. No specific problem for me on that front.

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    I’ve been saying for years: we need a dedicated gaming operating system.

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        cloud native

        Already rings an alarm bell, but thank you for sharing regardless.

        Also, their website runs like shit. I don’t have much hope for them making a gaming OS that doesn’t, but time will tell.

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          That is astoundingly judgmental. Good lord.

          Cloud native is a weird term I’ll agree, but it just means container based.

          Bazzite is amazing and worth a try. I’ve been using it as a daily driver for nearly a year now.

          Perhaps you’d prefer the Github over their “shit” website: https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite

          Or perhaps you’d like to positively contribute to the state of Linux gaming, and make some suggestions for the website in their post just for that: Requesting input: Bazzite’s website

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            At this point when people tell me the website runs like shit I just laugh and tell them they’ve been filtered. That does 120 FPS on a phone, if you’re lagging on that site just go ahead and give up on gaming.

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              The animations are stuttery for me on … Fedora Linux.

              I bet they’d be smooth as butter on Windows. x)

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      No we don’t. Who needs that? That’s what consoles are for. Every time I want to play on my computer I would need to dual boot and change to the OS? That’s nonsense

      Game Devs and device driver Devs need to get their shit together and fix things.

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      Or even better, a dedicated gaming runtime environment. And that env can then be made multiplatform.

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    New to the Linux community here; why is a valve owned Linux OS better than any other massive company OS. Like if Microsoft released their own Linux OS, would it be good suddenly?

    At the end of the day, we don’t want our OS’s big company owned right?

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      SteamOS is better than, for example, macOS and Windows because of licenses.

      Since you’re new (welcome!), I should let you in on a little secret: pretty much the entire free software movement is built around licensing. I know, it’s boring and seems insignificant. But the outcomes are profound.

      Because SteamOS is built to function within the free software ecosystem, it means users are never beholden to the decisions of one centralized entity (usually the company that owns the software patents.)

      If Valve ever decides to, say, include candy crush ads in SteamOS’ start menu (they’d have to make their own start menu, since right now SteamOS uses one that’s already made by the free software community), then users can choose to remove that part of the menu or replace the menu altogether without having to start from scratch.

      For wealthy people who can always pay the “proprietary tax,” this might seem like a non-issue. Practically speaking, these people only want their software to work without hassle. They don’t care about the true cost of that software, such as only one entity being able to modify/distribute the software. It’s not until, say, photoshop starts charging a subscription (which they can always increase the price of) that people start to see the value in free software and the importance of licensing.

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      Microsoft is deeply entrenched and has undergone decades of enshittification. SteamOS is at only the beginning of this cycle. And since SteamOS is linux-based, it’s likely to have ramifications for the whole GNU/Linux ecosystem. Furthermore, if there are two vastly different OSes that developers and graphics card manufacturers need to seriously target, they’re more likely to write more platform-agnostic software that everyone can benefit from.

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      Because valve is a private company. They don’t have to answer to shareholders. That means, they don’t go through enshitifaction, they care about their product and their customers. Are they perfect? Absolutely not, are they good? Better than every single company out there that tries to be like them. Period.

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        I’m glad people bring this up.

        Private companies are not intrinsically better than public ones, but at least they have the capacity to be.

        Valve is one of the very few examples of a company that sees the value in working with customers, not against them. This would be impossible if Valve were publicly-traded.

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          Exactly. They’re (as far as I know) the only company that emailed me to tell me that I can take to court directly without an arbitration. Not that I’ll ever be able to afford it, but seeing how confident and pro-consumer (I fucking hate the word consumer lol) they are is amazing.

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            To be fair, that was in their own financial best interest. Since arbitrations are charged a fee per customer someone figured out that you can do an effective “class action” against valve by having many people submit the same arbitration claim against valve and costing them so much through the arbitration fees that it it was almost impossible for them to cone out on top regardless of the outcome of the arbitration (iirc).

            They changed to allowing lawsuits because they can request those to be merged, and therefore its cost-effective for them to fight them.

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              Since arbitrations are charged a fee per customer someone figured out that you can do an effective “class action” against valve by having many people submit the same arbitration claim against valve and costing them so much through the arbitration fees that it it was almost impossible for them to cone out on top regardless of the outcome of the arbitration (iirc).

              It’s not even that they’d have to pay for it; usually the filing party has to pay. Valve tried to be the good guys and while they did push for arbitration they said that they’d pay your arbitration fee for you, basically allowing you to file a legal complaint against them at their expense.

              And then some fucking legal company figured out it’s a neat loophole on how to bleed them through arbitration where the point isn’t really the result but the costly process. Guess that’ll teach Valve to try to be better than others. :|

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      I am not gonna use SteamOS. But if a bunch of regular folk do, then it might convince peripheral and game makers it’d be worth putting in a modicum of effort to support linux. That’s why I’m excited for SteamOS.

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      Valve dosnt really “own” SteamOS. They maintain and update SteamOS, but SteamOS is free and open source

      Plus just about everbody who knows anything about valve would tell you they are probably the most consumer friendly billion dollar company ever, and have been for decades. So yes even if they owned it like microsoft owns windows it would still be better

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      Because it’s open source and based on the Linux kernel. It’s owned by them but you can do what you want with it. You can’t with Windows.

      So if a game works on the Steam OS, it works on pretty much any distro

      I game with Steam on Linux, but I’m not using Steam OS

      Also, that means that every effort made by Valve to improve compatibility is beneficial to everyone.

      Edit: Also, even if it were closed source, I think it would still be good as it gives us alternatives to Windows. But

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      The source is always free so you could fork it if you disagree with them. Also it means broader support for Linux gaming

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      It’s way easier to move from one Linux distro to another if Valve starts enshittifying SteamOS (which would really suck) than it is to move from Windows to Linux. Either way this is a good stepping stone that’s well supported.

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      Like if Microsoft released their own Linux OS, would it be good suddenly?

      It’s worth noting that steamOS, like any Linux distro has its issues and a bit of a learning curve. Especially if you want to go off the beaten track, it’s pretty much just using a stock arch distro.

      As for if MS switched to Linux, no it wouldn’t be good because the issues with Win11 overwhelmingly aren’t a matter of incompetence or anything inherent to the code, but of conscious anti-consumer business decisions. There’s nothing about Linux that would actively stop MS from cramming telemetry, bloat, etc. In their distro.

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      If it’s like the steam deck version, it’ll be based on Arch with a bunch of steam-specific patches/configs to make games run more easily (with the added bonus of making non-steam games run pretty well too). Steam exists to sell games, and if they want to make it easier for me to play games, that’s fine by me.

      Not sure what a Microsoft distro would look like, but if they make a distro that’ll run Xbox games with gamepass, I’d give it a shot.

      Another nice bonus for either/both of those situations is that it wouldn’t be too hard to incorporate those changes into other distros. That way people who want more of an “install and go” experience would have their official distros, people who like to tinker could work on importing the official code into their unofficial setup, and people who use arch btw can install it from the AUR.

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      Not answering your comment directly, and I don’t even use Linux, BUT…

      One reason a lot of us don’t use Linux even if we really want to us because it’s biggest strength is also one of its biggest weaknesses, that being it’s modularity.

      There isn’t a single packaging system, window manager, file system, shell, etc etc.

      This makes it hard for companies (and devs in general) to target Linux for releases. For example you want to release something for Windows, you build a single exe, apple is a dmg (I think) etc so you just build for one single platform with a consistent API.

      When you want to build for Linux there can’t be just one build/package. This has actively been cited as reasons why some commercial software doesn’t support Linux, as it takes far more effort to support all major permutations of platform and package management.

      So back to your question, why is Valve’s Steam OS going to help? Because it’s going to be a single platform with a single way of doing things. You can always go and replace the bits like any Linux distro but out the box it will be easy enough for vendors to support, it will hopefully also get more adoption because it has commercial support.

      Look at Android as an example (I know it’s not entirely the same), but that is just a customised version of Linux, but as it’s consistent and has a single way to manage packages it’s widely adopted.

      I am pretty sure Linus himself said how one of the reasons why Linux desktop doesn’t have mass adoption is because no one can agree on how things should be done, so we have hundreds of libs all doing the same thing in a different way. Valve will pick what they think is best (even if it isn’t technically the best) and through that we all have a singular point of effort and adoption to centralise on.

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    I have about 7-9 months to decide what to do with my PC. I don’t want to move to windows 11. Because I will have to basically fresh-install my entire system that has 4 drives and god knows how many antiquated programs on it from the XP, Vista and 7 era that I still use. and Im just not ready for it. Im too busy

    headache

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        I’ve went from 7 to LTSC. I didn’t realize how cool LTSC was until I had to use a W10 machine at work. There’s a good chance I’ll go full Linux when the support ends but I’ll have enough time to consider it.

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        Yes! Did the same, I really like it. This is what a Windows should be like. Also, long support. I just ask myself why I didn’t switch to it earlier.

        Nobara (Fedora based Distro with tweaks for gaming) is also a nice choice, but I still don’t want to fully switch to it for gaming because of Anti Cheat.

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        Its just gonna be a question of how unsecure Win10 gets , and how fast.

        My pc is from 2019, although I’ve upgraded the hardware several times. But I’ve basically reached a ceiling of practicality, its no longer practical to upgrade anything. Im on an outdated chipset (AM4) and jumping from a 3080 to a 4080 isn’t really going to fix the problem of games just being unoptimized. It makes more sense to build a new PC than it does to just change OS on this.

        but right now, it just doesnt make sense to build a new PC either… I dont lift a finger on anything unless im going to be able to see at minimum 20% performance increase, I just dont see that without emptying my savings account…

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          Im on an outdated chipset (AM4)

          Bruh, why do you have to say that? 😂. I just built my PC a couple of months ago and I bought an AM4 and I thought I had some kickass specs.

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            I bought one when I upgraded my truenas, solid performance paired with good nvmes and motherboard, no issues.

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              110%. Mine is serving me very well. I play video games in 4k, be it not 736648 FPS/Hz/refresh rate or whatever those imaginary numbers are, but I’m having fun.

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            No worries about that, it was a bad wording. The company has stopped producing it, and that’s it. Your cpu is fine, compatible with current software, and can serve you well for still a long time.

            Corporations were so successful in promoting consumerism, that they already messed with us on a psychological level.

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              Oh it’s totally fine, my friend. I just thought it was very funny. No hard feelings towards the commenter at all. I even actually laughed out loud. I’m that guy who never buys a brand new car, always used and has to be a great deal. Shit works, why spend the extra money? When you are bron born and raised in a poor 3rd world country, you learn to be very careful with your money when you have it.

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                When you are bron and raised in a poor 3rd world country, you learn to be very careful with your money when you have it.

                Oh, I totally feel you there. Nice to see a fellow third worlder around!

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            Realistically the AM4 is still more than enough for now. but its technically end of life. the AM5 isn’t worth the jump until theres no other option.

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              Oh yeah, it is doing all I want it to do. Plus, on Linux I’ve learnt that having a bit older hardware is always better since the software for it is mature and works no problem in most cases. Absolutely zero complaints for what I paid for it. $500 for a whole PC is unbeatable

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            They did still release a few ones recently for them. But am5 is the main one right now. It’s not incredibly old, just no new ones will probably be produced. (I think the last am4 were a surprise already) Just for curiosity, why did you go with am4?

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              The honest answer(s), money and I didn’t know any better, especially in the AMD side. I hadn’t learnt their numbering schemes and I saw Ryzen 7 and thought “hell yeah”, but it turned out it’s a 5700G and the newest is the 7000 series. lol. Still powerful as hell. I bought the whole thing from microcenter and I had the salesperson pick the parts for me. I restricted him to $500 and that’s all we were able to get with that money. I have no issues with it whatsoever. I can play all of my games on 4k mid to low settings. Not much fps, but I’m a guy who’s ok with a game if it runs at 30 fps.

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              might have been a deal. some retailers are dumb and think lower number means worse, so discount justified. lol

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                100% nailed it. I bought all parts for $500. Works great. The processor is a Ryzen 7 5700G and it comes with an iGPU, so I didn’t get a dGPU at the time, a friend of mine had an RX 580 laying around and gave it to me. Gamed on it for about a year or less, worked fine. Later on, I got an RX 6600 from Facebook for $100.

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                  They are end of life now and have ceased production, but if you can manage to find a 5800X3D , that CPU is the definition of sleeper. I had a 5700X I think it was, and the performance boost was f***ing unreal, I expected meagre gains, I saw 20 to 50% performance increase on many games. if you’re into that kind of thing. if you see one for sale, seriously think about grabbing it.

                  its the whole reason aside from the OS issue, Im not even remotely worried about the next few years, it can compete with the high end stuff of the AM5 generation still. unreal.

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          It makes more sense to build a new PC than it does to just change OS on this.

          I haven’t made comparisons with gaming, tho I know there is somewhat, but there’s been a big performance boost on desktop and regular applications running Bazzite over Win10.

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          Not a good advice. A friend of mine is still on win7 and it still works and got security updates time to time. But some programs actually stopped working or only older lts versions remain workings. Win10 is probably still ok for a year or two.

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            Absolutely not. Windows 7 may still function, but it is a target for unpatched vulnerabilities. Attackers are actively seeking windows 7 hosts for remote code exploits, lateral movement, and privilege escalation.

            Do not run Windows 7. Stop running Windows 10 after the end of life date next year.

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    This is so great to see, and the timing is perfect.

    My son already calls the PC Steam, as in “we played game A on Xbox and game B on Steam,” so maybe by the time he has a PC in his room Steam really will run the whole platform.

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    As long as they can keep it rolling stable, which is possible even with arch, I can see this pickup up a bit, especially for new users.

    Plenty of users are sick of windows 11.

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    This could lead to some sort of controlling mechanism that will check if your OS is actually SteamOS, otherwise some kind of DRM would prevent you from playing online for example. I’m wary.

    Also people are forgetting that gaming isn’t the only thing people use their computers for. They are convenience devices. They want to game on the PC they also use for other things. They will not switch for gaming only. Companies who sell software will see this and start piling on their controlling mechanisms, tracking, … More proprietary things will come, I mean games already are, and they are not in the spirit of Linux.

    I’m bad at expressing my thoughts, but I hope you understand what I’m trying to say.

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      Not really. The “control mechanism” is already in place for games that rely on Steam’s infrastructure for their online functionality.

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        Yes, but that’s not what i mean, i mean other non steam software. Software developers will follow wherever users will go. And they will bring their mechanisms to protect their proprietary software.

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    To anyone reading this thinking “once SteamOS comes out, I’ll switch”, you should know:

    Gaming on Linux is already here. Pick a distro and game. You can take advantage of Proton right now. You don’t need to wait for one specific distro.

    I’ve personally been gaming on Linux exclusively for about 3 years. Windows games, not Linux games.

    Edit: based on other commenters’ suggestions, I’ll give you some.

    I have gamed for those three years on PopOS. It is a distro based on Debian, ultimately, which means it’s also related to Ubuntu and Mint. Realistically, you can pick any of those 4 and you should have a nice experience.

    Arch is popular with the übergeeks, and I do use it on my laptop, BTW, but you shouldn’t use it as a first distro.

    The concept of “distro” doesn’t really exist for Windows, because you pretty much get one monolithic product. But basically, it is a specific mix of software that works together and relies on the Linux kernel. Imagine it as a “version” of Windows with specific goals, some of which are overlapping (e.g. Mint and Ubuntu tend to cater to the same audience).

    If you get far enough into it, the freedom that Linux allows means that you can turn any distro into any other distro.

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        I think that is perfectly valid and I’ll happily recommend steamos to newcomers. I’m only a little worried about it being locked to flatpaks by default though. Hopefully that will change, but for most users it will be a good start.

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            The marginal extra disk spaces used by flatpak really isn’t a concern for most users, much less valve. If you do everything in flatpak and your apps only use current runtime versions, the additional space used by flatpak is in the megabytes, since libraries like libc are going to be on your host no matter what.

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            One flatpak uses a lot of extra disk space, but for each additional flatpak you add to a system the disk space difference is much smaller because they share dependencies. When it’s system-wide for all user-installed packages, the difference is quite small.

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                They don’t share dependencies with the base system, but they do share dependencies with each other, so long as those dependencies are at the same version, which most of them are because flatpaks generally stay quite up to date.

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            The typical linux flow is not important to learn for most and flatpak is easier for the vast majority of people to understand and deal with

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        This is fair. I should have given my own suggestions.

        Mint is probably the choice at the moment for new folks. Also, this will be controversial, but feel free with Ubuntu. It will get you started, and that’s great.

        Edit: I added some (open-ended) suggestions to my original comment.

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          I actually think mint is a terrible choice for beginners because it’s not kde, which is by far the best for windows people, and it isn’t immutable, which is a gamechanger for not having to maintain your system

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            I see the point about KDE, though I don’t think the learning curve on Cinnamon is hefty. I also think that KDE being so configurable can seem overwhelming to new folks.

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              As someone who gives kde to new folks all the time, most of them never configure anything and this isn’t a real problem any of them face. I mostly give this to the elderly and tech illiterate.

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      It’s actually surprising how easy it is to use.

      My wife was playing Baldur’s Gate 3 on her windows laptop (GOG version, DRM free) and I just wanted to see if I can run it on my Linux laptop.

      Just copied the game folder from her laptop to my external SSD, plugged it into my laptop, ran through proton. Everything works without any issues. Simple as that.

      I was pleasantly surprised. We could even join via LAN and had some co-op fun. After trying it out I think I’m buying the game.

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        ran through proton

        See, this is after where most gaming folks hop off.

        In all fairness, if you just run Lutris (pre-installed on Bazzite), log into GOG from there and install and run the game through their wizard, it also “just works”.
        That might be easier for most.

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            For me, yes. But this is all using hands-holding Windows-like UIs, please realise that the recent-ish influx of Linux gamers understand this much, much better than terminals.

            Although, I’m not sure how to install Proton as a CLI package on Mint, for instance. apt doesn’t list it, but Steam and Lutris do install it internally…

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                I’m not sure if you’re reading my messages but I’m saying I’m not sure how to do Proton outside of Lutris and Steam. And that CLI outside of a launcher sounds more convenient, but gave Lutris instructions for someone running a game not from Steam.

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                  okay, that is different, sorry.

                  for that

                  step 1. install wine-tkg

                  step 2. right click a .exe > properties, set wine-tkg as the default

                  left click on .exe’s to open

                  done

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          Probably true, it depends. There are Steam folks and then there are GOG folks.

          I prefer GOG tbh because it’s DRM free, but for some games I still need Steam, unfortunately.

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        I haven’t used Windows for more than a decade, and I am genuinely surprised reading your post that the game works in this manner even if with proton/wine layer.

        I can’t help but think that this is an exception, and would attribute this behaviour to how the game is made. I wonder what other software function this way.

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          I don’t even check ProtonDB anymore before buying a game. It just works the vast majority of the time, even without additional configuration.

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          In my experience pretty much everything works this easily. Steam games are a click away, Linux support or not. For things outside of steam you can either copy the install folder from a Windows install or just run the installer through Proton.

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      Tbh the vast majority of people who say “ill switch to (insert Linux distro here) when (insert accomplishment here)” will most likley never switch

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      Sons is mostly playing Valorant right now on Windows 11. I’m an old dude familiar with FreeBSD, and Debian. No clue about running games and stuff though. Would he be able to switch?

      edit: thanks for the insight. Sounds like a no-go for now until anti-cheat stuff is supported outside windows.

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        To be 100% honest, probably not, and you may need to confirm with someone who knows Valorant. The big issue is anti-cheat, the detectors in use for major multiplayer games tend to lose their minds when they see Linux as they’re typically only built for Windows. Other than anti-cheat, it wouldn’t surprise me if it played better on Linux. Some of the low level magic has improved a lot in recent years, but official support is mandatory for multiplayer.

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        Yes, anti-cheat specifically is a problem. That’s you fighting against the corpos, to be clear. Not really an issue with gaming on Linux itself.

        Edit: not only against the corpos, but more generally against the idea of “kernel-level anti-cheat”. If you’re giving any corporation kernel-level access to your machine, you basically no longer control your machine. That’s true of Windows too.

        It’s a big issue and the lack of support on Linux is a bit of a feature, not really a bug.

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        Some Competitive Multiplayer games that generally “just work” and perform well under Linux/Proton: Insurgency Sandstorm, Hunt Showdown, Hell Let Loose, Dead by Daylight, Battlebit

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        It’s the only category of games that doesn’t work, they use kernel windows modules for anti-cheat and they don’t have any plans to support

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      For all the not super technically inclined people out there, I would recommend Linux mint with cinnamon, you’ll feel right at home and won’t face any real issues so long as you don’t want to play LoL, a few other big multiplayer games have anti cheat systems that don’t like Linux.

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      I’ll switch when 10 finally dies, they state Oct 2025 but if even less people go to 11 they won’t really have a choice but to keep 10 up and running. Make 10 the last Windows OS ever. Never go to 11.

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          Time & effort. Everything that you do means something else doesn’t get done. Whether that be gaming with friends or an item off your project/chore list.

          We know that gaming centric distros are great for getting up & running, but it’s still a time sink, and will require effort. Not everybody has a backup drive with their games and will have to re-download everything too. There’s also a risk their favorite game isn’t compatible with Linux

          Windows 10 also works just fine. I still have it on 2 of my 4 computers (2/5 if you count my Deck), and haven’t switched those over yet because I’m being lazy on one and the other is a perfect candidate for the SteamOS UX experience since it’s a HTPC. However, I have done some looking around at other HTPC experiences and just haven’t pulled the trigger. Which will be awesome, since Windows did away with their HTPC UX years ago.

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          Personally, my last holdout on my desktop is VR, and I’d rather not dual boot.

          My laptop has been running Linux for years now, although I’ve been having some issues with it lately, possibly due to repeated in-place upgrades, so I’ve been thinking of switching away from mint to a rolling release distro. Although, I have to say, NixOS’s philosophy is really compelling.

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            I have a friend that regularly games in VR in Linux. Admittedly, he’s always faffing around with it to make it work. But he’s also a bit of a chaotic person that runs Arch, so that could just be him and not a failing of the current level of support.

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              Out of sheer curiosity is he using a fancy Steam VR kit like an HTC Vive or something?

              I’ve fully switched over to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed at this point but I’m so bummed out my Samsung Odyssey is relying on heroic support from Monaco dev(s?) to even have a hope of it running.

              But Windows is killing WMR too and they don’t care, so OS really isn’t an issue here. I’m keeping my Win10 partition there getting dusty though, because it still has WMR on it. =\

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                Samsung Odyssey w/ GTX 2060.

                He’s using Monando built with Envision without the steamvr-monado Plugin because “it slows everything down”.

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                  Whaaat that’s crazy interesting! Thanks for replying!

                  I know there’s been a lot of progress made with Monado on these units but the controllers are still no-go from my understanding. Is he using the controllers or just the HMD? :O

                  I might just have to spend a weekend figuring out how to build Monado hahaha.

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      Make sure your hardware is compatible. Otherwise you have to deal with kernel upgrades to get latest drivers, which is advanced linux stuff. My gpu (B580) is compatible with 6.12 and newer kernel. And I wasn’t able to install newer kernel on linux Mint 22. Ended up installing Windows. And… It’s not that bad. I haven’t seen it for a while. Everything works better in my case. And you can uninstall all you don’t need including edge. But I will go back when kernel I need will be shipped with distro.

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        This is generally true, but I’d also caution that the B580 is a brand new card with (somewhat lacking) Linux support.

        In general, if you aren’t using bleeding edge hardware, you won’t have such issues. This is especially true of AMD hardware, which tends to be extremely Linux friendly.

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      I’m hoping that steamos will make Linux much more popular so that devs take notice. Whilst wine/proton are amazing anticheat still exists. If enough people move to steamos they will have to make sure they’re not excluded