An ICE operation spiraled into chaos in Worcester, Massachusetts street after agents detained a woman as she clung to her baby—without showing a warrant.
I’m curious. Do they have toshow it to bystanders? To the person they are arresting sure. And I would think to family of that person… but maybe not. I doubt they have to show it to randos on the street. But, I think it is safe to assume they didn’t have it. Even if they did, thier history means they have blown any credibility on that front.
As for ID. I do wonder about that. Anyone know the actual laws?
not if they don’t identify themselves. If they don’t they are not a cop. If some dude says pull over from a rolled up window you totally do not have to and if you are pulled over you can ask their badge number and name and to see it. This chain is not about warrants but about them identitifying themselves.
The comment that started this thread said ID or warrant. A badge is far from either. And apparently from other sources, in most states they don’t have to give you thier badge number or name. Seems a few states have a law saying they do, but only a few.
You can get a badge at the dollar store. Id, not so much.
The ID has thier picture on it so that you know it is thiers. The badge… not so much.
Most of us have decent idea what out state ID looks like. Maybe not enough to spot a decent forgery, but far better than a police badge which can be different. You have town, city, county, and state leos. And the all the feds.
They simply are not the same thing at all.
Where im at when you ask for badge its a little pocketbook type thing with their police id and badge so for me its essentially the same thing. Its funny because I actually had an experience where four guys in vests came out of a car and told me to halt or such and I backed away with my hands up and said I need to see some identification which one pulled out whereupon I stopped backing up. They could have been gang members looking to rough me up.
I’m curious. Do they have toshow it to bystanders? To the person they are arresting sure. And I would think to family of that person… but maybe not. I doubt they have to show it to randos on the street. But, I think it is safe to assume they didn’t have it. Even if they did, thier history means they have blown any credibility on that front. As for ID. I do wonder about that. Anyone know the actual laws?
If they are expecting you to follow some sort of directive they do.
Certainly not. A cop can direct you to get out of a car without a warrant, and you are required to comply. And plenty of even simpler situations.
not if they don’t identify themselves. If they don’t they are not a cop. If some dude says pull over from a rolled up window you totally do not have to and if you are pulled over you can ask their badge number and name and to see it. This chain is not about warrants but about them identitifying themselves.
The comment that started this thread said ID or warrant. A badge is far from either. And apparently from other sources, in most states they don’t have to give you thier badge number or name. Seems a few states have a law saying they do, but only a few.
an ID is totally their badge. The warrant part was not saying something similar to an ID/badge as much as saying an acceptable alternative.
You can get a badge at the dollar store. Id, not so much. The ID has thier picture on it so that you know it is thiers. The badge… not so much. Most of us have decent idea what out state ID looks like. Maybe not enough to spot a decent forgery, but far better than a police badge which can be different. You have town, city, county, and state leos. And the all the feds. They simply are not the same thing at all.
Where im at when you ask for badge its a little pocketbook type thing with their police id and badge so for me its essentially the same thing. Its funny because I actually had an experience where four guys in vests came out of a car and told me to halt or such and I backed away with my hands up and said I need to see some identification which one pulled out whereupon I stopped backing up. They could have been gang members looking to rough me up.