Do you agree? If not, what’s your counter arguments?

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    • Proton & Lutris
    • Libreoffice & Nextcloud
    • G.I.M.P, Inkscape, Krita
    • It’s cooler, more secure, more private, more trusting etc.
    • More compatible than Windows 11 that’s for sure
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      • this is 100% valid. even on wayland it’s working great.
      • it took like 3 days to migrate my whole workflow to libreoffice. it’s definitely doable for 95% of ms office users but when you’re in a big company it gets tricky. formulas work a little bit different so you have to consider that. libreoffice is case sensitive, ms office is not.
      • this is again mostly a compatibility with other parties issue. and from what i understand photoshop has a lot of third party addons that would definitely be cumbursome to migrate.
      • i have to use windows at work and it drives me crazy. constant notifications for mundane stuff, no package manager, no sane way to keep apps up-to-date, commandline is shit.
      • even freebsd was better at handling my thinkpad. i have a wifi dongle, on linux it just works, on windows i have to install an xp app to be able to use that.
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        Really the only thing that I miss on Linux is creative cloud stuff. Yeah, gimp and inkscape cover 80% of the functionality of PS and Illustrator right out of the gate, and I bet I could get to 90% if I sank a bunch of hours into learning the differences. Which is amazing for open source software.

        But there’s a gap when you have a team of dedicated and highly paid developers and hordes of creatives testing everything out and demanding progress that’s going to be hard to overcome.

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          sometimes that’s right, but other times it fires back. like in autodesk software, it turns into a money making machine. because they’re the industry standard for more than a decade now, they just pump out new version every year with barely any changes and deliberately not forward compatible. so you just pay more every month, because everything is subscription based now.

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            That’s fair. Another example of what you describe that I’m more familiar with is Epic (medical records software). My hypothesis is that the differences that matter are:

            1. Cost of switching is higher and/or
            2. The people making the decision (business manager, hospital admin) are farther from the actual users of the software.

            Could be lots of other reasons too, but these are the ones that jump out at me.

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          Why are you trying to find opportunities on every comment to bash (no pun intended) Linux on a Linux community?

          If you don’t like it then just leave.

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              Dude. Calm down. I’m literally just asking a question and giving you an answer based on the way you’re talking about Linux.

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                No, you’re literally just being an elitist asshole that wants to swim in a sea of your own fartwater, free from anyone telling you that your shit stinks. This sort of attitude is the very reason Linux is still half-assed garbage for anything other than the most basic computing tasks or dedicated environments where a staff of people is paid to manhandle it.

                If you don’t like reality, you fucking leave. Ketamine might help.

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                  Ok dude wtf I’m literally just trying to be honest with you and you just tell me to “Keep Myself Safe” (kid friendly kys)? How do you fit into society? People will disagree with you every turn you take in life, and you would just tell them to take Ketamine? No, I refuse to take advice from someone is more disconnected from reality than you’re believing I am, and also, how am I being an elitist asshole when I’m trying to ask a question? That’s like a teacher asking a student a math question and then the student calls them a facist. Clearly you don’t like Linux or it’s community and you should just leave, nobody wants or is forcing you to stay here with people “free from anyone telling you that your shit stinks.”

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                    Are you even literate? Because you seem to be reading a lot of shit I didn’t fucking type.

                    Take your fucking meds, dude, and stop posting until you do.

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      • Not even close, half my shit doesn’t work.
      • If you think either are replacements for Office, you’ve never actually had to use Office for work.
      • GIMP sucks and has nowhere near the feature set. Good luck working in CMYK.
      • None of this matters.
      • Tell that to wifi cards, audio interfaces, instruments, or other hardware that some rando hasn’t written a half-assed driver for.
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        • ProtonDB says that my personal library in steam with over 800 games only has 1% games which don’t work, and a total of 7% that doesn’t just run when you click play. This means that the most pessimistic view of my library is that 93% of the games work, that’s probably more than on windows 11 for what I heard about compatibility for old games. I highly doubt your library is even remotely close to the 50% incompatibility you’re claiming.
        • They are. I do. If you need something in the level of complexity that “only” Microsoft office can provide, you shouldn’t be using excel to begin with, a simple script with a database will be a lot more powerful and fast.
        • GIMP not supporting CMYK natively is getting quite ridiculous. However as far as I remember there have been plugins for it since forever, plus this is only important for printed jobs, anything digital doesn’t need CMYK. Also depending on what you’re trying to do Krita might be a better option.
        • If that doesn’t matter then what does?
        • All of the ones I have tried work out of the box, also the ones that work is only so because windows has more users so companies bend over backwards to write drivers for it, but whenever companies give the same amount of treatment to both Windows and Linux the compatibility is always better on Linux, e.g. PlayStation controllers are a pain to get working on windows but work out of the box on Linux.
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          • What ProtonDB says and what reality is differ quite a lot.
          • “Well you shouldn’t do that because I said so.” Irrelevant response.
          • Yes, there are numerous jank plugins that all half-work. CMYK support is only the tip of the iceberg and it’s enough to exclude GIMP from entire industries. I do not know why people keep mentioning Krita in the same breath as GIMP, given that it’s fully cross-platform and is specifically geared towards illustration. I can use it on Windows or Mac just as easy as Linux. That’s not a selling point for Linux, it’s an example of why Linux isn’t really needed in a given area.
          • I’m sorry, I thought we were talking about the average user here. That’s what people keep telling me in other responses. Since when did the command line matter to average users?
          • Well, you know, maybe if Windows was more popular Sony would make a driver for it. This excuse works for hardware that doesn’t work in Linux, so same should apply there.
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        What games do you play so that nothing works? The only problems I had in over half a year with Linux and pretty much daily gaming are cyberpunk 2.0 (which is nvidias fault and already a lot better with 2.01) and the Xbox service in aoe2. Everything else works perfectly normal, from DOS games like Commander Keen and fate of Atlantis to MMOs like LOTRO and ESO to triple A games like Witcher 3 and Dark Souls 3. They all work perfectly fine and in >90% of cases out of the box, only sometimes do they need minor adjustments like a certain proton version or commands

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        • Playstation also doesn’t support PC or Xbox games. It’s pretty clear what IS supported and its like 60% of steam games for PC along with a massive library of classic games via emulation. Excuse me while I switch between playing a switch game and a windows game and take a break to play a native game.

        • Most of what people do “for work” with office is crap out a presentation, word processor doc, or spreadsheet which all work fine in Libre Office. In fact for a lot of users the triviality of shared editing of google docs actually trumps every other feature that office has.

        • Most people’s usage of an image editor is resizing and cropping. Only a tiny minority actually need a professional image editor like most people don’t need a backhoe

        • Good hardware support is having good hardware to buy in every category not supporting literally every piece of hardware in existence. Smart people who use Linux buy Linux friendly hardware.

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          • K. Have fun.
          • Yes, LibreOffice works fine. Now save that document and send it over to the attorney for approval. Wait for the email telling you it’s broken and shit because they’re using Office and LibreOffice still has problems export to different file formats. Interoperability is the issue. Google Docs is not an answer for anything.
          • So between this and the previous one you’re basically saying that advanced USERS need not apply to Linux, right?
          • Then why the fuck is every dick with an ISO telling me that Linux can be installed on any old hardware I have laying around?

          This is the problem with Linux in general. Such a huge portion of the user base are elitist pricks. “Well just buy the RIGHT hardware.” Nah mate, I can’t be arsed to buy a new motherboard with a wifi chip that’s supported by this OS. I’ve already bought the audio interface. That scanner was a gift. The printer was a deal. It goes on.