youtube getting more aggressive… i’ve got firefox and ublock but this shit is still coming up
Get Firefox, install uBlock Origin, clear the filter cache, and reload the filter cache.
Worked for me and my dad
It is time to stop the Chrome plauge.
It’s currently working, but every few days youtube will tweak something, and sometime later (minutes to hours) there will be an ublock update for it.
Sometimes you have to wait a little longer, but this is the arms race.
I find it funny that a company as big as Google is loosing to little ol uBlock
It’s often far easier to attack than defend.
Google has to find and block every way, ublock just has to make a new way to bypass the blocks.
Classic mantra of cybersecurity. “We’ve up be right every time, they’ve to be right only once.”
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They’re working on a final solution to the ad blocker problem. If they’re successful in pushing their Web Environment Integrity API, there’s nothing Firefox or ublock will be able to do.
EU as the final boss battle
What about piped like solutions hostux, invidious etc? How do they work? Is it through API? Can Google block it like reddit did theirs? Also if google is so concerned about ad blockers why do they allow those extensions in their Chrome store? I thinks its going to get really tough to get Youtube for free without ads. Eventually Youtube might become something like Netflix or something.
Piped/invidious work by scrapping the video chunks directly from google and proxying them through volunteer servers. They will stop working as soon as google gets around to locking down the APIs that they are abusing, or blocks their server IPs.
I find it funny
I’m not having any fun. How dare they! With all the evil virus attacks nowadays and most of them starting through online ads, using an adblocker is a matter of security. And it is my decision, not theirs. None of their business.
Especially funny since blocking ublock is illegal in the EU
Some arms races aren’t what they appear to be: https://blog.codinghorror.com/revisiting-the-black-sunday-hack/
yep… i did. they keep coming up, somehow. very annoying.
I switched over to piped.video and no ads. Just moved my subscriptions over. Not sure how long it will last but so far it’s good
If that doesn’t work, get the youtube enhancer extension. Turn off it’s built in adblock. You’ll have a bunch of buttons on the bottom of the video, one of which is remove ads, which becomes skip ads when an ad plays. You will still get ads, but you’ll be able to instantly skip them all without setting off their adblock detector. (Ps, to get the bar in fullscreen, set it to bottom of window)
Yet, I’ve not gotten any of these messages on Chrome + uBlock Origin so far.
They are probably hitting people in waves, in an effort to make sure this isn’t a surge, then a massive protest like the Unity situation.
But once google realizes they’ll have to burn serious money and make their product worse on the global stage to fix the problem, they’ll quit just like Microsoft, AOL, and Netscape.
But I think this campaign is just there to loosen the people who installed an ad-block, but have no idea what an ad-block is.
Which will be different from the people who know about “alternate methods,” and will easily slip the google net unnoticed.
It’s more like field testing the change than managing backlash. They go somewhat hand-in-hand, but the intention Google has is mainly to reduce false positives.
That didn’t work for me. Seems theyre still detecting it.
Updating uBlock and filters has a bigger Impact than choice of browser. You could be situated in one of the data clusters that implement new detection methods first, so the filter lists are not updated yet when they hit you with a changed detection script.
Also, if you use Enhancer for YT, disable the built-in ad blocking there. That feature triggers the pop-up as well.
I feel like all of these suggestions will have short lifespans.
There is no good replacement for YouTube currently, but ultimately a long term solution means replacing the service.
A long(er) term solution than little hacks with FF and ublock are things like piped.
Honestly, if YouTube offered a $5 adfree video plan I’d pay for it. It’s not worth $14/month in my opinion
I think these companies are starting to run into the brick wall caused by disgusting wealth inequality and the subsequent inability to spend as frivolously as needed for a healthy economy.
Also just coming to the realization that advertising on the internet has always been done atrociously (not that RL advertising is any better but at least follows some kind of structure and isn’t thrown in your face repeatedly) and that a large swath of people do not want to deal with it or interact with it.
Rather than fix something that is clearly broken, they’d rather double down, throw money at it and make it more of a problem than admit they need to reign it in and put some common sense and sanity checks on how advertising should take place online.
Its product life cycle in their eyes came to the phase of “cash cow” . They are milking what was built in past untill there’s anything left. It was same with gaming industry. It seems inevitable once company reaches certain size (not in people count sense). That’s why we need alternative to keep things good for users.
The majority of Internet ads are ableist. I have ADHD and they’re too distracting.
That’s the YouTube Premium Lite plan that they killed off less than a month ago.
Youtube would profit off of $2 a month the fact that they need to charge 14 is just greed
How did you compute that?
According to the latest reports, over 2.70 billion people worldwide use YouTube per month.
This was 2022 and there is conflicting figures, most of which are 2 billion to 2.8 billion regular users (regular use of at least once a week, most daily.) https://www.globalmediainsight.com/blog/youtube-users-statistics/
Google has claimed youtube costs 5 billion a year to run back in 2019 but has never put out a solid figure or statement to the public, Entourage Marketing & Design did research in 2019 but the article seems to be down as I can’t locate the actual source. This could be inaccurate today but all information I’ve seen points to it still being single digit billions to operate year to year.
If these figures are accurate, 2USD from their claimed regular users would put them near their break even point without even considering income from advertisers or other investors and business opportunities. If they really did intend for every adult youtube user (roughly 80% of their audience) to pay them 14USD a month, that’s still over five times their operating costs alone.
Clearly, youtube is getting a lot more money from advertisers then they are from premium users, which is why they are trying to make the free to use option on their website so awful and unbearable that people will pay them directly to skip the ads (though rumblings have been going around at them finding ways to insert ads into premium user viewing experience as well.) And since the advertising side is so toxic and predatory they can tell when people are using ad blockers to avoid it, it reports back they aren’t watching ads and thus tries to prevent people from utilizing the service entirely until their participation generates money for youtube.
Fuck that shit. They’d just increase it gradually until it hit 80$. They also don’t care about the user experience playing shit ads that are some times horrific (like the recent Israel propaganda ads with war, or 1 hr + ads, or salacious ads). They also inject the ads at the worst possible spots. They should give creators that control but fuck them.
Don’t give Youtube or Google that option. This is what they want. They are ruining the internet further.
That’s way too expensive. I guess regional pricing did me good because here it costs an equivalent of $3.75 (RM 17.90). That much for Premium + Music ain’t no way I’m not taking it.
Spotify costs $3.35 (RM 15.90).
I cancelled Spotify and use YouTube for music and videos now so it’s worth $14 to me. Just loaded all my Spotify playlists into YTM. Interface isn’t as good as other music apps, but it has a pretty insane catalog, especially for stuff like remixes and bootlegs
I’d pay €1 a month. Max. If only 50 million people did the same, they’d make 50 million per month. Must be more than they make now from ads…
Not to mention, ads make so much less per user. And if you started to click on most of them they will demonetize the content creator for it.
So those 14 bucks / per user is like the user was thousand people watching hundreds of videos roughly speaking.
My family watches several Youtube channels on the main HTPC. It had Chrome for them to use, as that is what the kids and my wife are familiar with from school/ work. Then this BS started. I use Firefox on my personal PC and have yet to have a problem.
So I dumped Chrome off of the HTPC.
It would be amusing if Chrome lost a ton of market share to Firefox and other browsers.
It won’t. We are an extreme minority who really have the know-how to get around this. The majority will just give in and subscribe.
This is what happened with Netflix. Everyone thought that Netflix would lose subscribers with the crackdown on password sharing. On the contrary, they gained subscribers and is bringing even more revenue: https://www.ign.com/articles/netflix-adds-88-million-subscribers-amid-password-sharing-crackdown-hikes-prices-for-some-plans.
In other words, the general population likes to be used by companies and really don’t give a shit as long as they can watch videos.
not so much that they like to be used by companies, but that they don’t care enough to change or learn how to stop it. for most people, the idea of giving up their favorite online service because of ads or whatever other predatory anti consumer shit it implements is a little extreme.
as long as it works, the vast majority of people who are not tech-literate will just use it regardless.
In other words, the general population
likes to beis okay with being used by companies and really don’t give a shit as long as they can watch videos.
Not quite.
If users see thry need to invest more brain power in tech than plugging a cable in and pressing the power button, they will either give up or ask tech literate folk. They are like an extreme toddler with tech.
You wouldn’t expect a toddler to write a speechNo but I would expect a toddler to learn new things.
Not all wants to learn more (sadly)
Blocking ads on YouTube is kind of like eating meat. It can’t quite be morally justified, but I’m still guilty of it.
Currectly I’m updating uBlock 3 times a day to keep up with YouTube’s detection algorithms, so I’m obviously willing to go to great lenghts to block ads, but after it gets difficult enough, I’ll most likely just give in and get a subscribtion. It’s by far the most valuable streaming service for me, yet I’ve used it (ad)free for more than 15 years. If now is the time they say enough, then fine. It was good while it lasted. I don’t think that ads-based bussines model is the way to go anyways, so perhaps I should practice what I preach. Currenltly I’m only paying for Spotify and one podcast.
If competiton comes along that’s even one tenth as good, I’m perfectly willing to jump ship, though. Google has lost my trust.
this is an issue. whole family can use netflix etc with one payment. if you have separate youtube accounts (everyone has their own subs etc) you all need individual youtube premium accounts so you can watch ad free. it’s stupid (I’m ignoring why yt premium isn’t a good idea anyway unless you use yt music)
edit: I see there is a family plan. my bad
Freetube has been a great alternative for me. While it still doesn’t have tabs, I just figured out earlier today that middle clicking opens the link or video to a new window.
I’ve been using free tube for about a month now and been really happy.
My only downsides are that I use it on multiple comps, and like to watch YouTube on my tv as well, and by freetubes very nature, those don’t sync subs/history etc. which is expected of course.
The other bummer for me personally is I did really like the YouTube algorithms suggestions for me, so it’s a little harder for me to find new creators now.
But all in all, minor issues for some completely free software that works well and does what it says it’ll do! Would absolutely suggest people at least give it a try!
Fuck You, Tube
Fuk gogol
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This pop up, did more to curb my youtube addiction than any other app.
I’m glad, uBlock Origin blocks all these adblock blockers.
It doesn’t. This is being rolled out to all users. Eventually you will have to clear cash every time you want to watch YouTube with Ublock Origin.
Good point! Clearing cache on exit is my firefox’ default setting. Do recommend!
Developer singlehandedly overthrowing corporation’s decisions is my type of shit
You can put up with that… Or you could just switch to a Piped instance and be done with it all.
Piped is great, the content goes through a proxy so there’s no interaction with YouTube servers and your account and subscriptions are also isolated.
So wait how does that work? Are you still using your YouTube account on Piped or is it something else?
No, you make an account on that piped instance.
You can of course export your yt subscriptions as a CSV file and import them into Piped, and you can also use a difference instance to host your account/data as the one you’re using to stream the content. Did I mention built-in sponsorblock support and native apps like LibreTube?
How is that “legal” though? Will it not be harassed by Google at some point to turn it down?
It’s not illegal, but maybe against YT terms of service. I’ve seen reports that google is starting to IP ban piped instances.
I’m taking it with a grain of salt anyway, as I haven’t read any first hand accounts. And it would be interesting to see if google really is banning IPs, even ones in aws/azure/linode/gcp(lol)/etc IP blocks.
Update ublock filters.
I did, but after the 3 videos, it’s no longer a pop-up that can be removed, it doesn’t load the video at all. Annoying as fuck. I use incognito mode as a workaround currently.
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Update filters and clear your cache and cookies for YouTube.com. Resolves it for me.
Everyone should always clear their cookies and cache after each session, with a whitelist of course.
Use FreeTube as a desktop app or use a VPN set to a different country. Canada seems to be working fine for me.
NewPipe works too
Clear your cookies.
you very likely have another extension that youtube is detecting. I had to disable enhancer and then I stopped getting the popup
It can be removed by ublock. I had that screen for weeks. You most likely have another adblock that is detected. Remove it and clear cache. Ublock should work at the moment. But it is a war. Once in a while it stops working for a few hours and then you have to update filters again
I just clear the YT sites’ cookies, relog in and it disappears. I use AdNauseam and uBlock Origin and still got this.
If they weren’t so intrusive with the garbage ads (I hate publicity, over 95% of it is condescending and/or lies), I wouldn’t mind seeing an ad in the beggining, or even also an additional in the middle of a long video, but getting two unskippable ads in the beggining and one every 5 mins or less is abusive. So fuck you Google.
Going to install a local instance of Piped or Invidious.
Try tubearchivist with their browser plugin! (If you’re going to run something locally!)
Just found out about FreeTube, works great and has 2 methods to get the video. YouTube is now actively blocking my account. That’s how a service is destroyed.
I knew Google would get around to killing YouTube sooner or later: Looks like the slow death has begun.
Like all things Google that people like: It must die, Google will now allow it to live.
there’s enough people mindlessly consuming content off the site via mobile or tv, or are clueless about adblockers to begin with, youtube will continue to exist and be profitable even if every adblocking user never visited the site again.
YouTube ensuring it gets ad revenue is the exact opposite of killing it.
It’s always amusing to see people claiming to be these masters of business strategies pushing such excellent advice as “pay money to provide a service to people who supply no revenue”.
Don’t get me wrong; there absolute is a point where you can be so overly burdensome that you’re going to push legitimate customers away and ultimately hurt yourself more than you help, and YouTube absolutely does do some stupid things, but business is so much more complicated than people like to think.
People who use ad blockers aren’t the type of people to click the ads. We’re doing a Google a service by improving conversion statistics.
I’m sure using hours of 4k bandwidth while getting nothing in return is a great deal for alphabet… 🙄
Bandwidth is EXPENSIVE. If you are not clicking on the ads and not even watching the ads, every minute you use the site is costing them money. They are just optimizing costs by cutting all “leechers”.
YouTube doesn’t need “exposure” or to “convince investors of an active user base”. They don’t need to keep users that cost them money because they have enough users already. They are well into the “monetization” phase.
It’s revanced / gray Jay time
I pay for YT premium, but downloaded GrayJay yesterday. one thing I noticed is even when signed into YT, and having the plug-in slider checked to report usage my History is not getting updated.
I primarily watch YT so I actually don’t mind paying for it. YTM is also my primary streaming music, but I like what Louis and Futo are doing. I also installed their voice app which works damn good. The only downside is I haven’t found a good privacy aware foss keyboard that is ‘ok’ and has swipe typing. I swipe enough that it’s annoying. (gboard won’t allow you to switch to a different voice-text app)
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I mean yeah, suck a fat dick, I’m with you. But IMO paying for YouTube isn’t wrong. If not for ads, they gain nothing from me. I used to lock them in. 3rd party instance, no google accounts, separate browser clients, ad block, sponsor block… everything a decently smart systems engineer could think of.
That’s wrong. I pay for services like nebula, why not pay for YouTube?
I currently pay about 2 bucks a month for YouTube Premium and YouTube Music. I legally share it with people I’m close with. 30 bucks a year for unlimited ad free (other than sponsorships) is very affordable, even if I didn’t share it with family and friends.
I still don’t share personal information with them. They probably think I live in Argentina or something because my account is not defined to a region and my IPA reads as residential Argentina most of the time.
YouTube started as a free to use service (in terms of monetary cost). There’s no way they could ever go from that to pay to use. Content creators depend on YouTube being accessible without monetary compensation through the viewer’s wallet. At the same time, upkeep for on demand 4k video up- and downstreaming is not easy, not simple, not cheap. Not cheap at all. Go ask Nebula and the likes.
Ads are ineviteable. You want goods and services, you pay for them. If you don’t feel like spending money, you will pay by watching ads and/or by giviny away personal information that in turn can be used to create monetary value in some form or another (better advert targeting, better market analysis, etc.).
Strategically avoiding any form of payment for goods and services is frankly immoral. It’s exactly the same as stealing. It morally is stealing. If you go to the store and steal a product, you’re doing the same. You cost said store money without reimbursing them by paying for it. Blocking ads and especially sponsorships is immoral and you have every right to do it as it stands. Just don’t complain about companies disliking your behaviour.
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yeah, but you are using youtube’s servers which costs for transferring data
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I mean, that doesn’t give you the right to not pay for their servers
I get where you are coming from though, but doing wrong to someone wrong doesn’t make you right
the best thing (imo) should be to boycott google if you think they are morally wrong
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I’m with you, homeboy.
No use justifying your wrongdoings by pointing at what anybody else did.
If you think Google or YouTube are evil, bad or immoral, just avoid em.
You sound like a rational and friendly dude. Yet morality in regards to google and its cost of operating? Remember when their slogan literally was “Don’t be evil!”? And the moment they took it down? They’re mainly responsible for the whole enshittification of the Web.
Even if you block everything from them and appear data-worthless, you will still have to solve fucking recapthchas (or work for free for them) or simple get denied access to so so many sites.
And even if you avoid those too, billions won’t. I call this idiocracy-Flatrate. They pay, i don’t. In the end google will still live forever and dominate the net.
Wouldn’t betray a small-time indie of their donation or anything. But the literal satan of the net? Fork them. In the eye.
I don’t feel like adressing every point seperately because I’m just slothing with my cat in my bed right now. I’ll just be rambling a bit.
Anyways. Yeah sure, Google is a bad company in many regards, I’m with you. Morals and ethics are about as subjective as it gets, so here’s my take on that. Just because some entity is morally in the wrong doesn’t justify my own actions, whatever they may be. What makes it fair to obtain goods and services from Google without paying the price? It’s quasi-stealing but I already brought that up before. If the Alphabet Corp. (Google and stuff) is so bad, then maybe you should avoid their products by principle.
I know in the grand scheme it doesn’t matter what I do. The odds of my actions actually doing anything at all are quite low. Where I’m from people used to say “somewhere a bag of rice tipped over”. It’s inconsequential. And I believe that’s true in everyday life but I also know it’s not true in the grand scheme. While I am an individual, I have to look at my actions as if they are not. It doesn’t matter if I burn through 100 gallons of petrol a day… but it does matter if we all do it.
So yes, I agree with you in each and every way. Except I somehow also don’t. It’s really hard to live by the same morals and ethics each and every day. Utilitarism sounds good… but not for everything, same goes for deontology. Many concepts in ethics are not compatible with eachother and I don’t think it’s “normal” to even strive to find your own morals.
Google may be bad, but their business model with YouTube specifically isn’t really all that evil. They maintain a well established, feature rich platform and people get to share their content on that site for free. A small percentage earns money or even gets to make a living through that. They also maintain said platform for advertisers with promises on how often their ads will be shown and how they will be placed, received and forced upon a user. In this instance it’s not entirely clear who the bad guy is. All of em, kind of.
I studied for a bit a few years back and we had a series of courses called “ethics for engineers”. It was mainly about figuring out what you get to do and what you have to do as an engineer of any kind in terms of ethics. Right now I’m wondering, would I really feel all that bad as a software engineer or whatnot at such a company? It really depends I guess. Sure, increasing the ad counter from 2 to 3 sucks for users. Yet they accept it in some way u know? If they didn’t accept, they wouldn’t stay on YouTube. Using YouTube is not something you are forced to, you could, at any time, just stop. So, if supplying more ads is really totally nessecary to have the platform be profitable (which, be honest, in some form or another, it must be), it’s morally sound. Would it really be better to let the platform die? I don’t belive so. I believe the platform kind of self regulates in a sense that it would just die off it they took any negative aspect too far.
I don’t know what they promise their content creators… this view might look completely different by the way.
So. Yeah. Dunno. I don’t think “cheating” YouTube by blocking ads or whatnot is all that fair. It’s still legal, though. Probably still better to stay away if you believe that they are such a bad company.
Ja der Sack Reis :-)
I get you, yes. And I get your argument. Purely logically, ethics shouldn’t matter whether being applying to big evil corpo or to tiny mom&pops. That’s why it’s ethics and not whatever-i-just-fell-like-now. But to me it does matter. And it’s not really about blocking ads so google will starve. What I do doesn’t matter in the slightest in the grand scheme of things, just like you said. It’s just about being able to look in the mirror not spitting at the reflection because I’m true to my values. It’s about what google (alphabet, whatever) has become I so despise. I grew up with the net growing up, and I witnessed every single step downwards and it’s mostly thanks to google. I must admit i’m a horrible hippocrite, because I only use Pixel-phones. Which is ironic in itself, but they’re the only phones you could easily DE-google. All others will throw layer of layer of “protection” in your way, so you’ll never really own your own phone. And I hate myself for doing it, but I see no alternative.
Besides that. Yes. I simply don’t use ANY google product. Not even youtube. Never cared, never will. Only thing I ocassionaly watch there are music-videos (which I’ll then download and never use youtube for that again). If I HAD to see an ad, I would simply close the tab and be done with it.
I couldn’t work for such a company. No matter the pay, I would always feel bad. I once worked for a great charity in Krautland (which you’ll most likely know) which cares about cancer. As an Admin, so kinda like a software-engineer, but for hardware :-) I thought it was a dream working for a charity! Boy how wrong I was. As an admin, I could see everything (of course). And what I saw was horrible. The only reason for this charity is 0,1% help for cancer, 50% pay for the CEOs and their expensive cars and daily “buisness trips” and 49,9% upkeep. Which includes a complete floor of people who’s job it was to extort old people for their inheritance. The cellar full of millions of assets in paintings and whatnot. Simply rotting around. Money’s being brokered from shell-charity to trust-fun and whatnot. I quit withing the first 6 months. Disgusted. And it was a good pay and essentially an un-fire-able job (they never do, no matter what you do, just because you could talk bad and ruin their image). And guess what, nobody understood how I could value my “silly morals” over a great job.
Long story short: it’s a complex topic for a tiny comment and I don’t even know where to cut off or what to include :)
So in a re-phrase: What if I do not block ads, but am totally immune of the effects of ads? Isn’t that even more cheating? I can’t be influenced by those things. Except maybe having a preference then for NOT choosing the advertised product simply because its ad annoyed me. Wouldn’t it be more fair to just block it and accidentially buy that product I never saw an ad of?
Oh buddy I get you so well. I’m not german by the way, but I guess DACH is close enough.
I actually do work software development now, even though I said systems engineering in an earlier comment. Systems engineering is ‘just’ my past, back when I actually learned stuff. Funny enough, I work for the medical sector. Not IN the medical… oh what ze hell… We make software stuff for hospitals and whatnot. At least that’s what I’m up to right now and I don’t have to tell you, it doesn’t feel as good as it should. I am essentially hired for life. As decent people in IT do, I earn more money than one should reasonably spend and demand is so high, I could just sit back and relax 4 days a week with no major consequences other than my team hiring yet another person to compensate for my lazyness.
I don’t wanna work there anymore. I probably won’t be working there today one year later. Not because we scam people or anything, I just don’t think we do justice to what should be expected from us. Our oh so cool product saves lifes and that’s good. But shouldn’t we care a bit more about better quality control, more efficient workflows, more reliable products?
We’re good enough to “win” the capitalism game. People want the thing we make and the thing we make is a good thing. But is it as good as it could be? Definite no. Do others do better? Probably, they just invest more… higher costs. Could that mean that we are inactively killing people because we force them into buying our product due to cost efficiency? Yeah sure but it’s not that easy, is it? There’s no right or wrong here, really.
So… anyway.
I see your point about you not blocking ads actually being harmful for the advertiser, because you differ from the average Joe in terms of advertisement influence. But I don’t believe that’s for us to decide. By opting for advertising a product, companies risk approaching people like you (and ME if we are being honest… I guess it’s the high rate of autism in IT (I’m not gonna include a sarcasm tag here because they stink)), that don’t recieve advertisements well and might actively steer away from their product. They contractually do NOT risk their advert not being displayed at all… you see where this is going.
Genug Moralapostel. The existence of ads in modern media is okay with me. I don’t exactly wanna see them, but I understand their business model and it’s not really all that reprehensible to me. I do prefer straight up pay walls over ad walls… sometimes. At least for video streaming platforms. To be honest it’s probably the other way around for most situations. I gladly accept ads on websites if it means I don’t have to pay for each and every single website access all the time. Moral dillemmas everywhere.
I don’t think our opinions differ all that much. We basically had a “well if you feel like this, why don’t you do this?” “oh it was just a hypothetical, I actually already do this. But this and such…” “Ah yes, but no but, this and that”
Oh man, forgive my ignorance of the DACH. I just assumed based on nothing :)
Totally got you quitting that job. But I think there always IS a right/wrong. You define that for yourself. Of course it’s never binary, but with a wide range. And if you happen to end up right in the middle, that’s where it gets “difficult”.
So, you really think it’s not up to us to decide if ads shall be blocked or not? I see how you come to that conclusion, yet I wouldn’t sign this. FOR ME it’s actually MY decision that blocking them is withing my moral code and really does no harm at all. Even if totally ignoring my insignificance for the total outcome. So just for the fun and sake of the argument let’s assume a company shows ONE ad to ONE user in their lifetime and this ad decides their future. If I’d block it, they gain nothing and loose possible income (I might still stumble upon their product and buy it). If I view it, they gain nothing and definitely loose income forever. Your approach would also end up in them definitely loosing income forever. There is absolutely no gain in your approach, or is there?
Yeah of course, I totally understand the the business-model. And I would also prefer paying a bit to be able to not see ads. BUT there is simply way too much I would have to pay (and don’t forget the logistical overhead to do so) it’s just not practical. Every damn website and app and service? Everyone getting some minor bucks? Of course I make exceptions and either pay or enable ads. Yet trying to ignore ads isn’t possible for me, I notice them. They annoy, they disrupt the flow, they’re visually inconsistent with the rest.
And nope, our opinions really don’t differ much. But it’s always fun to discuss incredibly uninteresting topics no one ever cares about :-)
I can’t say I had such a civilized discussion on reddit. At least I can’t remember. Typical reddit discussions always felt a bit more filled with emotion, maybe hatred. Lots of shitposting too. Might have to do something with the more targeted demographic of Lemmy.
Something being a business model actually doesn’t mean it’s right. Dropshipping exists after all. Paying everyone for their services can’t be a viable solution either. The main business model here usually consists of “pay to upgrade”. If you don’t pay, it kinda works. If you do want to pay, it works really well. BitWarden is my personal hero in that regard. Their product works really well as freeware. It works even better when you pay for it. But I believe many paying users don’t even need the additional functionality, they just pay to give something back. Moral retribution so to speak.
I see how blocking ads on freeware isn’t morally wrong, I mean there’s not much that’s universally immoral. It’s quite the topic in ethics, deontology says some acts are universally bad or universally good, no matter the consequences. A common example is honesty: being honest is always good, but I’m sure you thought of a dozen examples where honesty might not be the “good” way.
I still do agree with you. Blocking ads in specific instances can be completely fine. I mean we could construct setups where not blocking ads might lead to nuclear war. But I truly believe that it’s fine in everyday use. You don’t wanna see ads, they annoy you, you don’t feel like paying with your time and brain cells. An individual avoiding ads is so inconsequential for everyone else involved, utilitaristically, that’s a net gain of happines. On the other hand, ethics is not a study about individual actions, that’s morals. I don’t believe that any ethics could realistically support such a choice in the grand scheme. Assuming everyone acts by those rules, buying advert slots is wasted money.
Luckily we are indiviudals and like you said a day ago, there’s enough people paying their taxes for you to evade them without consequences for either party.
I, in this instance, decided it’s not about the company per se, it’s more about the individual action. I’m no sucker for Nestlé, but you can’t argue that they don’t do good things as well. They are quite the big player in vegan meat alternatives and they actually do seem to put in quite the work to make sensible products in said category. They superficially seem to be sustainable and healthier than many other comparable products. Even if that’s not true, even if their products are shipped around the globe eleven times a day, it’s pushing for something that’s ecologically sensible. If they themselves don’t produce an ecological product, they still help to establish shelf space for other, more ecological products. So yeah, I’d buy a Nestlé product in that case. Even just to show Nestlé and the stores that such a product is in demand.
There’s other scenarios where I don’t act by the same logic simply because I’m a human and humans aren’t known for being all that logical after all.
I’m a capitalist consumer and I greatly profit from my financial situation each and every day. I do live in a way too big apartment after all, and plans for individual housing are on the way. Not very ethical in the grand scheme xD
Anyone who pays for premium is a fucking loser.
What a subtle take. Anyone who doesn’t conform to my view points must be inferior.
Everyone actively working at the google enshittification should honestly consider jumping off a fucking bridge. You’re an awful person and you make the world a worse place to be in.
Yes, inciting people to kill themselves, sure. You do know there are many corporations (cue the oil and gas industry) which are monstrously worse than Google.
Anyone who really thinks that Google right now is the main thing making the world a worse place sure lives in a bubble. But then, these YouTube bad posts I have been seeing since almost over a month ever since this thing started rolling out. I get it, it is bad but would you stop harping over it like it is the end of the world? There is more to tech than just posting Google bad every alternate day.
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It’s alright. I can relate with the sentiments of these posts. It wasn’t a change that folks were expecting which Google is rolling out [is it still in A/B testing or slowly everyone is getting countrywise] and since people’s primary email account is often linked to GMail, there is always a fear that too much overriding might cause a ban[ though Google hasn’t done so in the past till now ].
So you don’t think the content creators you are watching should make money? How else are they to support themselves?
I’m paying for nebula
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This is the way.
Ads are not just cancer, on YouTube they’re also fucking scams, the ones claiming to be mr.beast and those that promises free vbucks comes to mind. Ads as a service needs to die, it’s an over-abused market with no real value.
Let me add to that: Ads are a cancer and advertisers are the carcinogen
Amen brother. Ads are cancer. Except for tiny indie-devs or such who will never get enough moneyz by donation alone. There i could tolerate it, knowing I’m worthless to any advertiser anyway. They just waste their money.
Amen.
Currently with Firefox uBlock and am getting no pop-ups for three days now (this after pop-up nags with a five-second delay).
Not saying you are not having trouble, but I think this is a fight YouTube is going to lose.
I think they are A/B testing to see how people react. I have gotten pop-ups and my coworker wasn’t getting them while having the same IP address. I haven’t gotten the “x videos left” popup yet. I think it’d be pretty easy for youtube to make ad blocking very hard; they’re just testing the waters right now.
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Yo have you heard about Liberty Mutual
Can’t escape them… they spam the MLB playoffs with those commercials.
Bibberty Butual?
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