• sqgl@beehaw.org
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    1 year ago

    MVP! Thanks.

    So it sounds like the UN presumed the states would form a union (like the EU) without caring if the member states wanted it.

    Arabs I think were not happy even with the initial borders since Israel were a smaller population but handed a larger land area than Arabs. Maybe some anti-semitism too but that disparity must have stung.

    Israel was happy with the allotment and even with the union as long as they were the masters of the union. Islamophobia too perhaps.

    Chicken and the egg. Each side had a reason to distrust the other and it has just been spiralling ever since.

    Seems like Britain should have stayed on a few more years but were probably too tired after WW2.

    I am mainly learning only now. Are you also researching as we go or have you already familiarized yourself with much of the detail? Either way I appreciate having someone who is polite to discuss this with.

    • jarfil@beehaw.org
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      1 year ago

      Indeed, the UN expected a sort of conjoined two-state arrangement.

      The problem with the Declaration of Independence, is that, not only it was signed before getting written, rising the question of whether should the notes, the speech, or the document crafted after the fact to be considered the “official” one… but also Israel still lacks a proper Constitution; it has a set of Basic Laws, the last one of which got approved in 2018, but it’s expected more should follow, so it can still be seen as a “not fully established” state, making stuff up on the go.

      Are you also researching as we go

      Some of this stuff I’ve double checked, but most had already looked up before. One thing it would be interesting to know more about, are the nuances in the Hebrew text of the Declaration of Independence… but my knowledge of Hebrew barely goes as far as realizing that the English version is not a word for word translation.

      • sqgl@beehaw.org
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        1 year ago

        Maybe by reading multiple translations you can at least narrow down to which the problematic passages are so then you could concentrate on them with a fluent Hebrew speaker.

        I know one but it is hard to get him to stop once he gets started and he is right wing (I am left) so I don’t want to listen to his preaching. Nevertheless if you give me a specific question I will ask.