If a person breaks into a Industrial Plant and steals $10000 worth of computer hardware and the software that was on it, they go to jail for a long time during which they are not allowed much if any “profits”/income. When a Corporation steals $100million, they pay the other company and gain even more money if they are in market dominate position.
This exchange of money from thief to victim however misses compensating the most aggrieved party, the marketplace > users > you. Really overall though, Civilization loses.
The problem with the Corporate Legal System is that once something like this is found to happen, morally, ethically, and to secure the future of Civlization, the thieving company should be shutdown in 6mos and all assets put up for auction.
Corporations have legal “personhood”, but it seems to be just the best parts. Since this is well known to nVidia CEO Jensen Huang maybe he just said to himself, “It’s just Business”.
Did nvidia encourage him to copy the material? Did they hire him because he had stolen it?
Or did they hire him because he used the material to appear better than he was? In which case, he defrauded both companies, and nvidia is a victim (but usually still culpable if they used stolen information)
I’m not disagreeing with you (though there are many valid arguments against it, since it basically encourages monopolies to form, and encourages further shell corporations to insulate each other. One gets shut down, and so another branch buys them up. Nothing changes except easier to avoid punishment if they’re shut down.)
What I will say is that just because corporations can be evil, that doesn’t mean they are, and it doesn’t individuals can’t be evil too. I don’t know who did what when or why, but I wouldn’t look past a single idiot’s greed just because evil corporations are an obvious target.
Your argument is valid in an abstract, logical way and I appreciate that. In the real world, it’s nearly impossible for nVidia management to all the sudden gain all the secrets/features from a partner company from a man who used to work there! and not suspect something…
Suspect theft, espionage, (employee crime) and do nothing = guilty
Maybe nVidia did nothing as to plead ignorance and let the guy take the fall or they knew it. Either of these cases is just as criminal when morals are applied.
Calling nVidia the victim is twisting words very badly and I’m not sure you didn’t mean to do that. This is such bad press for nVidia isn’t it? If I were nVidia CEO Jensen Huang I would pay people or even make comments pseudonymously. I mean, what does it take to post on Lemmy, just an email account?
It would be ethically and competantly correct to interally investigate how now you as a Corporation (Word root: Corp = body; Corporation => Arrangement of Bodies) have all your peers features from a former employee of them and there is no way to ethically get around that. None.
That’s the same argument as another plumber who all of a sudden repaired pipes in this totally original way like you did, while you worked on the same job, after working with you. He watched you and took the idea is what happens in the real world.
Corporate Espionage is a huge thing and it’s happened all thoroughout history and maybe even now.
Just so I’m clear in my communication, there is no case where nVidia can logically be a victim. Best case = co-conspirator.
Just so I’m clear in my communication, there is no case where nVidia can logically be a victim. Best case = co-conspirator.
I’m not sure how you could possibly mis-interpret that, but yet you still managed. I specifically worded it as “a victim”, meaning a victim in any sense, which nVidia cannot be seen as no matter what spin you give it.
If you were a real account or geniune person without an agenda you would just admit that you misread me instead of the other way around.
If a person breaks into a Industrial Plant and steals $10000 worth of computer hardware and the software that was on it, they go to jail for a long time during which they are not allowed much if any “profits”/income. When a Corporation steals $100million, they pay the other company and gain even more money if they are in market dominate position.
This exchange of money from thief to victim however misses compensating the most aggrieved party, the marketplace > users > you. Really overall though, Civilization loses.
The problem with the Corporate Legal System is that once something like this is found to happen, morally, ethically, and to secure the future of Civlization, the thieving company should be shutdown in 6mos and all assets put up for auction.
Corporations have legal “personhood”, but it seems to be just the best parts. Since this is well known to nVidia CEO Jensen Huang maybe he just said to himself, “It’s just Business”.
Did nvidia encourage him to copy the material? Did they hire him because he had stolen it?
Or did they hire him because he used the material to appear better than he was? In which case, he defrauded both companies, and nvidia is a victim (but usually still culpable if they used stolen information)
I’m not disagreeing with you (though there are many valid arguments against it, since it basically encourages monopolies to form, and encourages further shell corporations to insulate each other. One gets shut down, and so another branch buys them up. Nothing changes except easier to avoid punishment if they’re shut down.)
What I will say is that just because corporations can be evil, that doesn’t mean they are, and it doesn’t individuals can’t be evil too. I don’t know who did what when or why, but I wouldn’t look past a single idiot’s greed just because evil corporations are an obvious target.
Your argument is valid in an abstract, logical way and I appreciate that. In the real world, it’s nearly impossible for nVidia management to all the sudden gain all the secrets/features from a partner company from a man who used to work there! and not suspect something…
Maybe nVidia did nothing as to plead ignorance and let the guy take the fall or they knew it. Either of these cases is just as criminal when morals are applied.
Calling nVidia the victim is twisting words very badly and I’m not sure you didn’t mean to do that. This is such bad press for nVidia isn’t it? If I were nVidia CEO Jensen Huang I would pay people or even make comments pseudonymously. I mean, what does it take to post on Lemmy, just an email account?
It would be ethically and competantly correct to interally investigate how now you as a Corporation (Word root: Corp = body; Corporation => Arrangement of Bodies) have all your peers features from a former employee of them and there is no way to ethically get around that. None.
That’s the same argument as another plumber who all of a sudden repaired pipes in this totally original way like you did, while you worked on the same job, after working with you. He watched you and took the idea is what happens in the real world.
Corporate Espionage is a huge thing and it’s happened all thoroughout history and maybe even now.
Just so I’m clear in my communication, there is no case where nVidia can logically be a victim. Best case = co-conspirator.
There is a difference between “a victim” (what I wrote) and “the victim”, (what you misread).
Oh my, making me repost myself time.
I’m not sure how you could possibly mis-interpret that, but yet you still managed. I specifically worded it as “a victim”, meaning a victim in any sense, which nVidia cannot be seen as no matter what spin you give it.
If you were a real account or geniune person without an agenda you would just admit that you misread me instead of the other way around.
There is a case.