I don’t think this is EEE, I think this is a chance for meta to dominate the narrative by drowning us out with algorithmically curated censorship, distractions, hatred, outrage etc. I would join threads if I want threads, I would be on Reddit if I want corporate influence.

The mastodon post for the same server admins admitting to allow Meta thanks @BrikoX and @Melco

This is the post regarding an admin of fosstodon being offered a secret meeting under a non disclosure agreement

Thanks lunar for articulating my central point better than I could.

Most of my primary content was within the comment section scattered so I’ll try to put it up here and edit more as i go. I was worried I’d butcher things so I avoided updating my post. Ignore the mess

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EEE - I don’t want to talk specifically about this. Many others are, and you can talk with them about it.

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Privacy - My views on privacy is that lemmy is already fully public and facebook merging into it probably wont reduce your lemmy privacy in any meaningful way. Ignoring lemmy, your privacy is already fully breached in ways I’m not going to explain here.

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People keep making blind claims that facebook/meta can’t use their algorithms to interact with us, so i will explain. For the record I know most of this effects mastodon directly, and not so much lemmy.

Threads will be able to control what gets minimised and maximised based on whatever secret algorithms they use. These end results are known to people that want to know, it’s how our parents and grandparents, became increasingly detached from reality. If facebook/meta wants to censor their users, they will, if they want to promote hate against LGBTQs then they will. Those users will then interact with our users, slowly shifting our conversations and the overall culture of lemmy into the same cesspool that is facebook.

Secondly, the content of threads will be selected by a relatively massive userbase which will drown out our content if we stay federated. Of course that content will be optimised by their algorithm, thus influencing fediverse content.

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Now onto the principle matter. FACEBOOK IS EVIL, like genocidal evil, a propaganda arm of the empire evil. They have a heavily proven track record. “Wait and see”? There is no need to ignore facebook/metas criminal record.

The admins here should have clearly stated their intent but have been deafeningly silent. People are asking for clarification or in my case, acting because of a clear lack of action.

Other posts are talking about this and I will assume you have been reading them.

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pjhenry is a troll that ignores what people actually say, he focuses on his intentional misunderstandings and straw-men, just stop feeding the troll guys, he only wants to fight over nothing. He only acts in bad faith.

  • Emanresu@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
    78·
    1 year ago
    1. itl be forced onto us by being federated, and if some block, the others that dont will be controlled by those posts and indirectly influence the rest of us.

    we are small group of people which will not consume meta ads/style

    1. The quote is what i mean, we wont want them so why do we want them?

    2. lemmy.world has been silent to us inside lemmy, and their mastodon instance said they are federating and will “see” if they should based on how meta behaves. As others have said, its like letting an arsonist into your house unsupervised hoping it wont happen again.

    edit: because i get doubles of the same comment from two accounts I’ll answer in here.

    The threads algorithm will maximise likes on things they wish maximised and minimise attention on things they want ignored etc. What threads likes most will spread most, through their app and through peoples actions, then that spread will reach federated and then indirectly federated sources. The important part is they dwarf our community size and tend to be very homogenised so for gain that i cant see, we lose our soul as a community. We may as well just delete here and make threads accounts. I’m here because the people are more unique and interesting, not as a generic chat room or social media account. Once we become what most of us don’t want, then why bother?

    • Kara@kbin.social
      71·
      1 year ago

      That’s not how it works. Threads using an algorithm does not force it onto any other platform.

      • Caoldence222@lemmy.world
        4·
        1 year ago

        It has an impact. If threads algorithm heavily promotes something inflammatory, and that thing gets a bunch of upvotes from threads users, said post will dominate our feeds too.

        • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
          1·
          1 year ago

          Also something else I just thought of. We need to keep in mind the algorithm is per user on Threads. They’d need to make it global to affect other instances. It defeats the purpose of their algorithm. They’d make it less valuable to themselves if they tried to inflict it elsewhere.

        • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
          12·
          1 year ago

          That’s not how it really works either. And again, if that becomes a problem due to them somehow breaking the spec, defederating when there is an actual problem is still viable and loses virtually nothing.

          • Caoldence222@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            how is that not “how it works” exactly? I don’t care as much about the integrity of the spec, though ofc web standards are important, as I do about the integrity of independent communities.

            We don’t know what threads will do, but currently, federated instances do share up and downvotes, no? and that does affect the ranking of a post on all instances, not just the one where the up/downvotes were made.

    • gelberhut@feddit.deEnglish
      22·
      1 year ago

      I lost you. algorithmic “feed” is created by Threads for Threads users. As long as you personally do not subscribe to Threads “communitues” (or whatever it will be) you do not see there. Without Threads you can find an unpleasant context in Lemmy as well, if you search for it just or browse “all”. If you want instance admin decide for your what you allowed to see and protect you from everything what they thing is not nice - there are few.

    • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
      11·
      1 year ago
      1. you don’t understand ActivityPub. You’re objectively wrong here.
      2. that there’s any arguing shows your supposed objective stance is objectively wrong. Stop speaking for people you clearly don’t. It’s a sign of narcissistic behavior and entitlement.
      3. it’s not like that at all. It betrays a lack of understanding of the platform you’re using. Defederating even a day later would clean it up fairly quickly. There’s virtually nothing lost if they defederate afterword. Your analogy is just so wrong on so many levels.

      And to address your supposed algorithm issue: ActivityPub doesn’t work that way. It can’t change a feed in realtime. It just publishes. And again. It won’t affect you. Even if they hacked and broke the spec, all it would do is change what you see from Threads. Whoopity doo. Join a Kbin instance and just block it from your feed.