The only way this can turn around for Ukraine is a the war expanding into a (more) direct conflict between Russia and NATO, which would create a high risk of a nuclear exchange, which is unacceptable.
Ukraine lost. The only question now is how many more of their people they’ll send to pointlessly die before they start serious negotiations (i.e., not wild demands like getting Crimea). This is the months leading up to the end of WWI.
The point I bring up is that the peace terms are just going to get worse. The only way Ukraine turns this around is expanding this into a great power war, which is insanity, especially in the age of nuclear weapons.
Nah, tons of leftists right here on this site used to be libs. In the U.S. at least, I’d say most leftists went through a lib phase at some point.
I don’t think calling libs fascists-in-waiting, moderate fascists, etc. moves many people in the right direction. People match spite with spite. It should be reserved for those we have no hope of bringing around, not us 10 years ago.
Non-paywalled link: https://archive.is/G584y
Since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine
It really is something how almost all English-langage media uses the phrase “full-scale invasion” in lockstep.
From a strictly military perspective, restrictions never help.
“From a strictly military perspective” is a nonsense framing, especially in a relatively limited war like this. Militaries are for (1) resolving political questions when peaceful attempts at resolution break down, and (2) deterring other countries from walking away from serious attempts at peaceful resolution. There is no world where you set aside the ultimate political goals; that’s the whole point!
The modest seizure of Russian territory may strengthen Ukraine’s bargaining position in negotiations, ease Russian pressure on Ukrainian defenses in the Donbas, or weaken Russian President Vladimir Putin politically, but it is unlikely to change the military picture in a significant way.
Should have dispensed with the saber-rattling and started here. This isn’t going to change the overall direction of the war; at most it will prolong the inevitable.
These are the last days of WWI, where people keep dying despite everyone knowing that the war’s end is imminent.
That’s just stupid. Are they really suggesting Ukraine should focus solely on grinding through fortified Russian defenses?
That’s clearly a losing strategy, too, but the “we’ll fight them to the last Ukranian” crowd is still too far from reality to admit it.
The best decision for the Ukranian people is to negotiate an end to the war as soon as possible, which means accepting that when you are losing a war the peace isn’t going to involve crazy shit like getting more territory than you started with (Crimea). They’ve lost, and they can come to terms with it now or do so later after a bunch more Ukranians die only get a worse outcome.
The reason the Ukranian government isn’t doing that is because their NATO puppetmasters don’t give a shit about the casualties of their proxies – they just want to bleed Russia as much as possible. So without the option to negotiate, and with the impossibility of winning on the main front, they have to try Hail Mary gambits like the Kursk invasion.
“The winning side could simply surrender and give everything back”
I am a geopolitical mastermind
the family of the hostages can kill whoever they want
Yes, Israel has been doing this since October. Yes, their morals are sickening.
Well yeah, they had it
You were wrong and are doubling down instead of acknowledging that maybe there are some gaps in your knowledge.
And I am not suggesting anything
And you’re trying to walk back ridiculous fear mongering (where will they stop??? the Atlantic???) instead of acknowledging that Russia isn’t going to start invading the whole planet for no reason.
The point here is that you don’t even know the basic facts you’re talking about. Russia didn’t want Crimea in 2022; they already had it.
It’s also laughable – genuinely embarrassing – to suggest Russia is trying to conquer all of Europe. Pure fantasy plucked straight out of thin air.
As for deterrence, that’s already been accomplished, especially if you believe the casualty numbers Ukranian propaganda puts out. Clearly there is a cost to war. The goal now is to end the fighting on as favorable of terms as you can realistically get.
It’s literally across the Bering strait.
Damn you really can’t point out Ukraine on a map lmao
That’s not a serious negotiating position when Russia is winning. Shit like this is getting people killed.
You apparently don’t
Crimea had been in Russian hands for nearly a decade when Russia invaded.
Russia never said it was going to be a three day operation. That was Lukashenko; you’re getting the basic facts of the situation wrong.
Losing slow doesn’t mean you had a realistic shot at winning, either.
That would kill millions at minimum and likely result in nuclear war. It’s utterly psychopathic to cheerlead this and totally detached from the horrors you’re wishcasting. Disgusting.
sometimes you need to punch a bully in the mouth to protect the subject of their bullying
How would you describe what Azov paramilitary groups were doing in eastern Ukraine from about 2014-2022
This is so gutless. “Well sure I’d prefer unicorns and rainbows but KILL KILL KILL”… just say what you really mean and stand by it.
Libs: Violence is never acceptable, even if Trump is an immediate threat to harm countless people.
Also libs: Let’s all thank the Secret Service for immediately killing the shooter.
Sometimes the law is wrong, and following it is wrong
Dying for nothing in a lost war is one of those times