I’ve been calling them Trumpanzees for years now.

Everyone should be an artist. It doesn’t have to be professionally but everyone should be creating something.

The American Dream and other unattainable goals?

I just tried this. Why does this exist? Why does this need to be a shortcut? Who uses LinkedIn so much that they need to use a 5 key shortcut to get there faster?

We have an owlet with the camera and sock. No subscription yet but also no problem with the camera.

If i remember correctly, 2010 introduced the ribbon and 2013 was the last edition before 365 took over

Where am i being dishonest?

Oh get over yourself. You’re giving up because you have no more argument. You realized you lost so now you’re butt hurt about the whole thing.

I didn’t insult you or Apple fanboys. I pointed out clearly obvious things, relented when you proved yourself correct, and showed how OP meant his point by using facts.

Look man, i get that you’re probably a diehard Apple fanboy, but you’re really missing the point.

Fact 1 - Microsoft openly supported a multi-button mouse and offered it to you. PCs that were budled with Microsoft windows came with a 2 button mouse. They trusted their users to understand how it worked.

Fact 2 - Apple supported mutli-button mice but refused to bundle it with their computers until 2005 because they didn’t trust that users were smart enough to use it.

These 2 facts lead back to the original point. That PC makers trusted their users were smart enough, and Apple didn’t. That Apple only relented when they were proven wrong that people could very easily use and understand a multi-button mouse. That they were late to the party to bundle it with their computers.

Prove me wrong on either if the 2 facts.

And the “walled garden” is an ethos which has dictated all of Apples choices. They want to have full control over what us done on their hardware and software. It has merit to our conversation.

And honestly, your arguments will never change the fact that Apple’s approach to hardware and software has been a deterrent to user for decades.

I already admitted that you were correct about Apple supporting a multi-button mouse. What you’re missing us the fact that they didn’t want you to have one until 2005. They made you buy a non brand mouse to do the job.

Microsoft made their first mouse in 1983 to go with Word, and it had 2 buttons. Go back even further and Xerox had one with 3 buttons in 1981.

The point stands that Apple purposefully chose to not bundle a multi-button mouse until 2005 becasue they didn’t respect their user base. Their walled garden approach to computers and software is great for people who are just need a PC or a Phone. But historically their not for developers or power users.

I’m not being dishonest.

Apple never supplied you the mouse, it was hardware that you bought separately, just like the 8-track to Aux converter in my analogy. Apple only relented to providing you a mouse that supports 2 button clicks in 2005. That’s something Microsoft has provided since day 1 which is why “they’re late to the party”. It also emphasizes how apple wants to limit it’s user’s experience despite their machine’s capabilities.

I’m pretty sure that meets the requirements for the original point.

After a deep dive of research into ADB and reading about the extended mouse protocol, i relent that yes Apple did support multiple mouse buttons for a long time.

However, also seeing that Apple’s own first party multi-button mouse that supported right clicking only came out in 2005… your point is just like saying that old cars with 8-track playes supports Spotify cause i have my phone auxed into a converter.

So, factually, you’re correct. But his point still stands.

I love when people are confidently wrong.

Mac’s have not “always supported right mouse clicks.” https://www.wired.com/2000/10/eek-a-two-button-mac-mouse/

Wrong how? The Microsoft mouse was released in 1983 with 2 buttons. The first time Macs had a second mouse button was with OSX which was released in 2001.

His point is that they were 2 decades late to the party.

They only made the jump to USB-C because they were forced to. They would have loved to stay on their proprietary hardware for as long as possible.

Thanks man. That was a great read.

What match was it?