I have an Outlander and I’m also getting more range than advertised specs. My issue with batteries isn’t defects in tech, but the stage of its development. There are simply no batteries that can even come close to energy storage capacity of hydrogen and unlike with gas (12-30%), hydrogen’s conversion efficiency when using fuel cell is ~60%.

My argument is it is wrong tech because of current state of development of batteries. Slow charging, low energy capacity, heavy weight, using dangerous chemicals, etc.

I’m one of those people - I have an EV, but I wish I had a hybrid that has a tiny, light battery for ~50 miles of city driving I can charge at home and a proper size hydrogen tank I can use to travel as far as I want.

I stand by my argument that we should have invested heavily in hydrogen cars and infrastructure. Batteries will inevitably make it into cars as their development progresses. They are just not the right tech now.

I already have an EV and I still think batteries in them are shit. These are not mutually exclusive.

I get it, but cost is irrelevant if it is produced using green power that would otherwise be wasted anyway from overproduction.

Right, except you can put several gas cans in your trunk in this extreme scenario.

I’m talking about public infra, not charging at home since most people cannot charge at home. Almost the same amount of infra is required since current capacities are nowhere near sufficient. So it has everything to do with people jumping on wrong tech and money being wasted on useless infra.

It isn’t arbitrary. Just a simplified example of stored energy to weight ratio.

Infra would show up if people didn’t jump on wrong tech just like electric charging infra is starting to show up.

Yes it does. If you cannot generate electricity at home, all those points are moot.

You keep bringing infra into conversation when I already said it is simply a result of people jumping on wrong tech too early.

Yes, batteries sort of work for some people. I’m one of those people. I still say they are shit because they are only useful in very specific cases like low mileage city driving for people lucky enough to live in SFH with solar panels on the roof. Most people cannot charge at home.

For most people hydrogen is a better choice. I would actually love a hybrid with a small battery for 50 miles or so I can charge at home and hydrogen for 600 mile range.

No offense, but your response means you’re either the luckiest person in the world and live in a utopian HOA or much more realistically have zero experience with the stupid fucking cancer that is currently infesting more and more properties.

It took me years of paying lawyers and dealing with some of the stupidest and most stubborn people on the planet to try to install a charger near my spot in a shared garage. At my expense and with all requirements met, it was still easier to move than convince those fucking assholes that we’re in 2020 and cars use electricity.

No HOA on this planet will let you just run a cord even if you don’t consider that this would likely restrict you to level one charging and expose you to power theft.

Most people in the world cannot put solar panels on their roof today. Even if you exclude all the places people don’t own cars I still think my statement will be true.

Infra is result of people jumping on wrong tech. Batteries don’t belong in cars in their current state of development.

Yes. Do you have any idea how much energy we’re wasting because nuclear power plants produce way more than we need because they can’t scale easily or that most green energy generation is at the time people don’t actually need it? Hydrogen is a prefect storage solution for that power.

Shell is one of many companies providing hydrogen fuel stations. Infra may not be where it should be, but I blame that on all the people who jumped on battery powered cars at a time battery tech is years of not decades away from being good in vehicles.

Hydrogen can be generated any time. Like when nuclear or solar or wind energy is otherwise going to waste. We don’t have and likely won’t have batteries that could replace it for decades.

Modern batteries are absolute shit and definitely not good enough. I think a good indication that batteries are anywhere near useful will be when you can fly on battery power across the Atlantic.

What part of that confuses you? Hydrogen is better for cars VS batteries in every meaningful way in 2024. Long range, quick fill ups, zero harmful emissions, don’t need to live in SFH or rely on landlord/HOA to grant you the privilege of charging your car.

Hydrogen cell cars are electric cars that don’t rely on severely underdeveloped technology of batteries we have today.

https://nicolargo.github.io/glances/

Horrible battery. Doesn’t last even close to a full day. 18:00 here and my phone is at 6%. Will be dead in <1 hour. Was fully charged at 8:00. Typical use. I don’t play games on my phone.

What’s worse is it takes forever to charge compared to OP. 20W max. Wireless charging is only useful overnight. Takes like 6 hours.

Constant, fucking Bluetooth issues. I mean constant. There’s a bug with Samsung watch so every time I answer the phone caller cannot hear me until I cycle through speakers. Even without watch connected you never know which BT device will connect when answering the phone (if any.) Sometimes nothing at all works. My personal favorite is it will sometimes randomly switch to a different BT device mid call. I’ll be on headset and will suddenly start hearing the call through my watch.

Android auto works like shit. Wired is sort of tolerable, wireless barely works. Interrupting audio, constant disconnects or just refusal to connect.

Absolute shit reception. I didn’t think it was possible to have worse reception than iphone, but pixel is so much worse.

Overall 3/10. Love the spam call filtering and camera, but rest is my worst experience with a phone ever.

P. S. I’m down to 4% while I typed this message. Fuck pixel. Buy something else.

Please, please bring back wireless charging. I hate my Pixel 7 pro so much and want to go back to OP, but I can’t use a phone without wireless charging.

I don’t experience that hostility tbh. Maybe because I’m not a teenager? People I know are split about 50/50.

I’m also in hcol area in USA so iphone isn’t really a status symbol. Everyone can afford an iPhone, they just treat phones as tools so they get whatever works best for them.