Roughly $11.1 trillion has been wiped away from the U.S. stock market since Jan. 17, the Friday before President Donald Trump took the oath of office and began his second term, according to data from Dow Jones Market Data.
Some $6.6 trillion of that figure was lost on Thursday and Friday alone — the largest two-day wipeout of shareholder value on record, Dow Jones data showed.
Stock market always fluctuates at big changes. Bigger the changes – bigger the fluctuation. There isn’t much sense of checking that fluctuation every few hours. Wait a few months at least. And that situation would be interesting.
We do have evidence of the way this is almost guaranteed to go, however. There have been 2 other times in US history where the government has enacted massive tariffs on international trade: in 1828 and in 1930. The results of both times were the worst economic depressions the country has ever faced, and the world in the second case. The economy only recovered the second time thanks to the planned wartime economy, lend-lease program, and post-war rebuilding which cemented the dollar as the international currency, and the consequences of the tariffs were that the party responsible for them didn’t hold power again for 60 years.
The thing is that in the past our government wasn’t intentionally doing irreparable harm to our economy by giving nearly every trading partner we have the middle finger.
Maybe the markets will recover, but we might be looking at a situation similar to the great depression, especially if people start making bank runs.
I don’t know if people will hit the banks.
Back on black Tuesday, most things were bought with cash.
Now everyone either uses debit or credit. I don’t think there will be the big of a demand for cash unless one of the big banks says it has run out.
I do think that the credit market might implode within 6 months, as many Americans will probably forgo paying their debt to buy food for the week, and the credit companies will not have the capacity to squeeze blood from that many stones at once.
If consumer credit crashes, then the consumer economy essentially collapses, as a huge chunk of the population essentially lives on a knife edge between their bank balance and credit limits.
I give it at least a month before this all really starts to go tits up.
Anyway, I’m gonna go buy some waterproof storage bins and about 500 pounds of rice and beans tomorrow, just because that’s my new hobby.
Soak the beans, separate them into meal portions, and freeze them. Kills any pests that would eat your beans, and they will be ready to cook.
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A liter of honey has about 3000 calories and can be stored for a very long time. Peanuts are high in protein and calories and easy to store for emergencies.
A very long time being essentially forever right? Didn’t archaeologists find 2000 - 3000 year old honey in a tomb that was still good to eat?
Honey and bees wax are amazing. Honey is very high in sugar, yet mold and other fungus doesn’t grow in it. Hollow trees, where bees like to nest, is also a common place to find fungus growing but not in a beehive.
That’s just because sugar is a preservative.
TIL 2000 and 2008 were just fluctuations due to big changes.
Stock market peaked 19 feb, 1.5 months ago. It has lost 17% since then.
That’s an awfully long and persistent fluctuation.
Annual average growth of the stock market is around 7%. That means some years it might be +21% and the next year -5%. Now we’re about 2% on the negative from a year ago. That’s not great but it’s not catastrophic either. I bet that in few years this particular dip is just one of the many and it’ll barely even register on the graph.
Your prediction is based on this being a drop based on normal market fluctuations, but that’s not what this is. This drop is based on just the NEWS of tariffs that ALL economists recognize will be disastrous. Wait until the tariffs are actually in place, prices rise steeply, spending plunges, and the ripple effect moves across the entire global economy. That 17% drop won’t be some random sawtooth on a chart, it will be the first dip in a steady long-term downward trend.
Yeah, it’s hard to notice a 17% dip on a graph. It’ll buff right out.
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Ask the economists if restricting trade will lower gdp or not. I have a tiny suspicion this isn’t a “fluctuation”.
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