Lemmy's Image Problem
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The popular Reddit alternative's user count has grown a lot over the past year. One problem, though: users and admins can't delete images.

Highlighting the recent report of users and admins being unable to delete images, and how Trust & Safety tooling is currently lacking.

    • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
      4614·
      8 months ago

      We’re not talking about a user demanding you release a flatpak build targeting their personal linux distribution running in a VM’d WSL, we’re talking about a consumer facing social app that doesn’t include the functionality for a user to delete something they added.

      You know what the acronym used for describing the most basic functional web app api is?

      CRUD - Create, Read, Update, Delete

        • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
          62·
          8 months ago

          There are zero obligations towards the people actively using the software.

          Yes, there are, and that obligation is to not publish something as production ready if it is illegal to use because of how it’s built.

          I’m a software developer, I understand exactly how frustrating user demands are, that was still a completely and utterly unacceptable way to respond to a very politely worded request for software that literally just doesn’t break privacy laws to run.

          As the commenter pointed out, if you don’t want to fix it, fine, but then you absolutely have a moral, ethical, and professional obligation to document that clearly in your README.md.

            • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
              24·
              8 months ago

              The word obligation is not as narrow as you’re using it:

              obligation /ŏb″lĭ-gā′shən/

              noun A social, legal, or moral requirement, such as a duty, contract, or promise, that compels one to follow or avoid a particular course of action. “Are you able to meet your obligations?” “I have an obligation to attend their wedding.”

              Does he have a contractual obligation? No, no contracts were signed. Does he have a legal obligation? No, the license file in the project absolves him of legal liability.

              But he absolutely has a moral, social, and professional obligation to do so.

                • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
                  22·
                  8 months ago

                  All I have an obligation to do is give back to society, and I do so through taking care of my parents and grandparents, volunteering teaching classes every weekend at the community center, volunteering to upgrade and maintain an app for a non profit, donating to charity, open source projects and news organizations, helping my elderly neighbours with their snow and leaf clearing, etc.

                  And if you find one of my open source github projects will cause a user to violate a local law, kindly file an issue and I’ll immediately update the README.md and take it down until the issue is fixed.

      • pop@lemmy.mlEnglish
        117·
        8 months ago

        You seem to know what you are talking about. Have you made a pull request yet?

        • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
          79·
          8 months ago

          Have you learned how to program to fix the problem?

          It doesn’t seem worth my time to learn Rust just to submit a PR to devs who behave like that, they’ll just reject it and be pithy, like they are when a user asks them to comply with EU privacy law.

            • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
              41·
              8 months ago

              It is not entitled to expect a published project to comply with basic privacy legislation and not be illegal to use.

              If your bar for this project is that much below basic consumer expectations, then this project was always going to fail.

                • masterspace@lemmy.caEnglish
                  11·
                  8 months ago

                  I understand having frayed nerves, I even understand snapping at someone because you’re having a bad day, and I do feel sympathy for the devs, and wouldn’t hold this against them (especially since they’re at least providing a nuke everything option that will address it).

                  But the line between entitlement and reasonable expectation is not one of monetary compensation.

                  Engineering ethics does not let you off the hook just because no one paid you to build what you built. If an engineer goes to the park and unilaterally builds a playground that doesn’t meet basic legislated safety standards and kills a kid, they’re not off the hook. They will be investigated by their professional body and have their license revoked.

                  Hell if they just build a playground off in the woods on their own private land but don’t take reasonable steps to prevent kids from accessing or using it then they will have their license revoked.

                  • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
                    1·
                    7 months ago

                    Your failure to provide a reliable source for your claims is not my problem.

                    If you cannot provide a reliable source of your claims, your claim will be dismissed.

            • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              8 months ago

              Is it entitlement if it’s making using the entire thing illegal everywhere? Since there is no tooling to block traffic from the EU / not federate with instances that don’t comply with GDPR?

    • spiderman@ani.socialEnglish
      171·
      8 months ago

      while i think there are people like that i think this particular issue is a serious issue that should be handled properly. i think the conversation should have been much professional from both sides, but nonetheless this issue addresses a serious problem.

        • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          42·
          8 months ago

          Does them working on the project voluntairly, makes them be able to steal code from non-opensource projects, ignore licenses and do other shit like that? If the answer is no, why does working on the project voluntairly lets them break the law in other ways?

        • spiderman@ani.socialEnglish
          1·
          8 months ago

          there is a lot of difference between a random internet forum and an issues forum. also that particular issue was made with good faith even though both of them might have gone overboard. people suck a lot and might even make stupid arguments or issues. people stick to your work because they like it and they hope it will continue without dying next day, even though you do it voluntarily. this gives more weight here since their work is more like an internet forum where people voice out their thoughts. given such weight, i think they should have handled it properly, if they did it would not have been made a post or an article. i have no biased opinion for any party here, but since I respect lemmy a lot and doesn’t want lemmy to have a bad name, i think their developers should not give in and be unprofessional and give lemmy a bad reputation.

    • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
      151·
      8 months ago

      That’s how a Minecraft server I ran died. Too many people telling me how to run it and trying to break things when I was asleep.

    • LucidNightmare@lemm.eeEnglish
      22·
      8 months ago

      What I truly don’t understand is why the negative eggs that you WILL ALWAYS HAVE NO MATTER WHAT, read it again, ALWAYS HAVE NO MATTER WHAT, gets so much mental attention than the many more people who are actively applauding you and saying their thanks and giving you their praises.

      I will never understand the focusing on the negative I guess. It’d be easy as fuck for me to ignore people’s assholeishness while still taking their badly typed criticism and improving (if I reasonably can).

      Shit, it makes me feel like the fucking champ when some random persons says thanks for something I did, and I laugh and ignore the ones who don’t like what I do.

      But hey, if focusing on the few negatives instead of the mountains of praise is what you want to do, it’s all yours.