• DevCat@lemmy.world
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    In his Truth Social tirade, Mr Trump slammed the August 2022 at his Florida home and private club.

    “WOW! I just came out of the Biden Witch Hunt Trial in Manhattan, the ‘Icebox,’ and was shown Reports that Crooked Joe Biden’s DOJ, in their Illegal and UnConstitutional Raid of Mar-a-Lago, AUTHORIZED THE FBI TO USE DEADLY (LETHAL) FORCE.

    What’s he complaining about? Isn’t he the one who said the President can do no wrong?

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      That seems like a dumb non-complaint that will nevertheless resonate with his paranoid base.

      If you get pulled over for just rolling through a stop sign, did you know THE COP BRINGS THEIR GUN WITH THEM when they approach your car???

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          That was kind of my point. Trump is trying to speak to his base that has no problems with police violence or guns, but do somehow care when HE complains about how it affects HIM.

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    There has never been an explanation of how a person who is a known rapist, known liar, known fraudster, known thief of classified documents, known seller of information which got operatives killed, is allowed to run for office. It defies explanation.

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      I have an explanation:

      Propaganda works really well.

      The things you listed are what someone on the left thinks of Trump.

      Someone who is: Tough on Crime™, Fights for Liberty™, Cares for Children™, a Successful Business Man™, Fights Wokeness™, Highly Intelligent™, Protects Democracy™, and Fights for Christianity™, is what those on the right are made to believe Trump is.

      Propagandists are why Trump will win again…

      I hate propagandists with every fiber of my being.

      Not only do they give cover to this piece of shit, they make the right feel as if WE are oppressing and attacking them! They literally put us all in danger by making the right feel threatened by our existence.

      This is NOT the same as us saying POLITICIANS on the right putting us in actual danger and actually oppressing us… One is saying Joe schmoe liberal is the danger, the other is saying Mitch Mcfuckbag in the Senate is a danger to us all.

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        Someone who is: Tough on Crime™, Fights for Liberty™, Cares for Children™, a Successful Business Man™, Fights Wokeness™, Highly Intelligent™, Protects Democracy™, and Fights for Christianity™, is what those on the right are made to believe Trump is.

        Even though each and every one of those things is a provably blatant lie.

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          “The Greeks were a bunch of woke gays anyway, good riddance” is what a Republican might say if they knew the Greeks invented democracy.

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      I mean…none of those things are disqualifying for running for office, even if he were convicted of any crimes related to them, which he hasn’t been. Trump is a piece of shit, but yes he has a right to run for office. Now why people would still vote for him despite all that, is much more mysterious.

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        he has a right to run for office.

        The Republican party has allowed him to be their candidate for president.

        They absolutely could choose to prevent him from having that role if they wanted to.

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            He may be popular to some of them, but he’s also turned the party into a cult of personality that has abandoned most of what it used to claim to believe in.

            When he dies (or loses his ability to attract a crowd), the party will be a husk of its former self. They’ll have abandoned their principles which attracted fiscal conservatives in the past, and won’t have their cult leader to rally around.

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        The concept of AI weaponized mass propaganda on social media makes it less mysterious.

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      Republicans see whatever they want in their candidates. They even bend to them. I mean “who here has never paid for a prostitute?” Is now something they say to defend Trump. There are no values, their foundation is nothing but their own reflections, and there is no meeting them in the middle, they just move the goal post (which pretty much makes Democrats enablers).

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        They even bend to them. I mean “who here has never paid for a prostitute?” Is now something they say to defend Trump.

        My favorite was when they started chanting “Real men wear diapers!” when it was revealed in court that Donald shits himself and has to wear a diaper.

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      None of those are legally disqualifying. That’s the explanation.

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      I think the issue is, if we were to make laws saying you cant run for president if you are convicted of a crime or suspected or whatever, it would give incentives to politicians to try to frame or imprison their political rivals. Then there are things like our drug laws that disproportionately target certain groups. All those people would be barred from running too.

      It’s definitely an issue that needs to be resolved. One of so many…please help

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      The judges he picked said the presidential office isn’t an office under the constitution so it is up to Republicans whether or not he runs

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        Democrats vote for candidates they love

        Love? For me that’s rare. It’s usually me voting for the lesser of two evils.

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          And that’s why democrat candidates struggle to maintain voters. There are very few lovable democrats, so they don’t get votes. With republicans, it doesn’t matter if the individual candidates are lovable, because they’ll get the party vote regardless.

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      people have been screaming the answer at you, yet you ignore it. The American middle class was gutted by outsourcing labor and they’re not happy about it. It couldn’t get more simple.

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          It’s still an answer since most people base their vote on emotions and identity, not rational evaluation of policy.

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          do you think they even care anymore? They lost everything, they just want to see the world burn. Again, I’m truly shocked by how you all lack empathy and fail to see the obvious.

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            Would I try to make things better even for strangers if I had no empathy?

            I know why plenty of them feel what they feel. But they’re assigning blame in the wrong directions, in large part due to propaganda, and that propaganda needs to be countered or else there won’t be enough support to actually implement the fixes.

            … They do want their problems fixed, right?

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    So what days of the week is it that the FBI aren’t allowed to use deadly force?

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    The former president, in a typically loud post on his social media platform Truth Social, claimed that FBI agents had been authorized to use ‘deadly force’ during the raid of his Florida property

    Yet another missed opportunity by Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice.

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    Also McDonald Trump

    “Please don’t be too nice,” he said to the audience in Long Island, New York.

    “When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’” he said.

    “When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head you know, the way you put their hand over [their head],” Trump continued, mimicking the motion. "Like, ‘Don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head.’ I said, ‘You can take the hand away, OK?’

    “I have to tell you, you know, the laws are so horrendously stacked against us, because for years and years, they’ve been made to protect the criminal. Totally made to protect the criminal. Not the officers. You do something wrong, you’re in more jeopardy than they are,” he added.

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    It is strange he never gets flak for the amount of excuses he has for every situation. It is always someone or some group who is against him.

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      “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”

      What’s the one millionth time…

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        The millionth time is “just the way it is.”

        Everytime I step in a puddle, my feet get wet. I guess that’s just the way it is; nothing I can do about it besides stop stepping in puddles.

        Everytime Trump is accused of something he blames someone else…

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      Compare how and why people cheer for sports teams. If you’re affiliated you will support any statement in favor of the team, while ignoring, suppressing, or attacking any statements to the contrary.

      You won’t debate a Trump troll out of supporting Trump, because it’s about belonging to a group and showing loyalty regardless of facts. Honestly I’m not surprised he’s doing so well, consider how techy most of us are and still get overwhelmed by what the Internet is shaping up to be. If you’re in your 50’s from a poor rural area, what chance have you got to stand against weaponized online propaganda?

      We are all like this, by the way. The inclination to blind affiliation with groups is the result of very deep, very old, very well studied cognitive structures and behaviors.

      Here’s some introductory reading that might fundamentally change how you perceive people’s participation in groups:

      https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guide/sociology/conformity
      Sherif’s autokinetic experiment - if enough people around you believe something, you’ll soon believe it too

      https://www.simplypsychology.org/asch-conformity.html
      A similar experiment performed by Solomon Asch

      https://www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html
      The Robber’s Cave experiment - arbitrarily divide a group into two, and watch the inevitable descent into inter-group conflict (hopeful note: if you make the groups try to overcome a common obstacle, fighting goes away)

      Leon Festinger’s Cognitive Dissonance Tests - This is an interesting one as well, here’s the idea:

      Experiment: Infiltrating a doomsday cult before, during, and after the date of their supposed apocalypse, Festinger and his fellow scientists noted that instead of losing faith, members doubled-down on their beliefs after the ‘end times’ came and went — eventually believing that their work saved the world.

      Conclusion: When we have two (or more) incompatible thoughts, we adjust them to minimize internal conflict, what Festinger called ‘cognitive dissonance’ — a term that explains the mind state of those unwilling to accept information that conflicts against their belief.

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    ‘Lashes out’ every time I see this shit I just imagine him throwing a tantrum like the petulant geriatric child he is.

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    [he] claimed that FBI agents had been authorized to use ‘deadly force’ during the raid of his Florida property

    God, I wish that happened.

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      I mean, aren’t they always? If someone starts shooting at an FBI agent they’re not going to call their field office for permission to shoot back.

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        I have no sympathy for people of a political party who loathe my and me friend’s entire existences.
        I’m an awful person for other reasons, thank you very much.

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          Great! I have no sympathy for an organization that targets innocent civilians so death to Hamas by any means necessary. Glad we worked that out :)

          See how fucking crazy that sounds? >!Please don’t give me the same lines about “how can I compare innocent children being starved to blah blah blah” idc. Those “innocent children” are being raped and murdered by Hamas with zero impunity because of *people like you.!<

          !Edit: typo!<

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            I’m not going to even respond this in good faith when your username makes fun of a woman who was slandered by the media for decades for having her baby murdered by a wild animal.

            Nothing you’re gonna say is going to convince me to support a party that has, for centuries, supported slavery, discrimination against anybody who isn’t a cis straight white male and climate change denial, among other things.

            Also: Fuck Hamas. Fuck the IDF. Free the Israeli and Palestinian people. See how I can support people while being against militaristic slaughter?

            Dumbass.

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              Nothing you’re gonna say is going to convince me to support a party that has, for centuries, supported slavery, discrimination against anybody who isn’t a cis straight white male and climate change denial, among other things.

              Holy shit you’re serious 🤣😂🤭

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          Well you should hate both of the made up parties then. Be smarter and stop using tv talking points. Makes you sound stupid.

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              I totally agree but I see it reversed. Trumps policies had the economy going well. He’s a douche. But times were better. They ain’t getting better under Biden. But fuck me. I’ve never voted for a dem or republican. Wrote in Wu Tang last time as a protest. Doesn’t matter either way. I’m in NY so they go blue with or without me. Fuck em all I say but if I had to pick one (I don’t have to and won’t) gotta have Trump just to change up from Biden. It’ll suck but suck less. We need more and better options. People seem to pick based on one issue. I say the economy is the most important thing even though I believe women should have abortions. But step one and then push real reform to the system so we’re not dealing with these dumb choices. I think I’ll write in Donald Duck this time.

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                gotta have Trump just to change up from Biden

                Are you seriously saying you support Project 2025? That shit’s scary.

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                  Fuck no. You must have misread what I said or you’re stupid and don’t know what that is. I do. If you think Trump is behind it then you need to turn off the news.

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                I mean, there’s a bunch of studies that say the economy was good and others saying the economy was bad, but it did feel better than now. Probably because of COVID and increasing corporate greed, but I’m not an economics major.

                Slightly relevant note: the budget deficit more than doubled by the end of 2019, and the numbers show he added at least 7 billion to the national debt (probably a combination of tax cuts that never quite worked out, COVID-related spending and other things)

                I do want to push back on the point of his presidency sucking less - Project 2025, which proposes things like an end of discrimination laws against LGBTQ people, ending funding for programs that benefit low-income groups and complete abandonment of climate change policy, has pretty close ties to Trump’s organization and that’s pretty worrying.

                He’s also said some pretty crazy stuff on the campaign trail that worries me greatly, like seeking revenge for his indictments for various charges and calling illegal migrants “animals”.

                But on the other hand, we have Biden, a man who is clearly on his way out and too scared to deliver on many of his campaign promises.

                American politics fuckin’ suck.

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        Is wishing Hitler had died before he did what he did bad? Trump wants to hurt/kill other people. Him being dead would prevent this. He is not an innocent person and is an immediate threat to many. His death would likely be a positive.

        (There is the issue of him becoming a martyr if he dies the wrong way. This could cause even more issues potentially.)

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      You mean make him more popular with the pro-russian anti-vax Qanut base? Absolutely.

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        If you think locking him up would make him more popular, you fundamentally don’t understand Republicans. They value power and hierarchy. They value doing things and getting away with them.

        They are not like Democrats and liberals who value ideas. There are no Republican martyrs. When Nixon resigned, Republicans stopped talking to him.

        Don’t you remember how quiet it was when Biden was elected? Trump couldn’t get on TV anymore. Maybe he would call in to a show or two, but he didn’t have any rallies and nobody interviewed him. When Republicans go to jail nobody supports them, because they value hierarchy.

        The whole point of hierarchy is that you’re untouchable.

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          Exactly. As soon as he’s out of sight he’s forgotten about. There won’t be any martyrdom if he goes to jail. They’ll just move on to whoever the angry talking heads stear them towards.

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    Are you sure it wasn’t Justice Alito’s wife that put it there?

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    Yeah, Don! The government doesn’t belong in anybody’s bedroom! You tell 'em!