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      They (Americans) deserve it honestly.

      • They worship capitalism
      • Gleefuly joke about killing communists (via helicopters)
      • Do not bat an eye when US govt invades 3rd world countries
      • Rig international organizations in their favor
      • Impose their will & turn other countries into a puppet states
      • Fund Coups & Terrorists & bomb & sanctions on other emerging (As in developing) countries to destabilize them
      • Stage Regime-change operations
      • Greedy & Resource-Hoarding Nation with a mostly Selfish & Solipsistic Population
      • & you rescued Nazis
      • Not to mention how willing people are in joining the Military-industrial complex

      I could go on & on

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    It’s hard as one having free (state paid) healthcare in EU, to imagine anything but just going to the doctor, and the doctor seeing to it, that you get the correct treatment.
    No paperwork, no hassle, no bill.
    I can’t imagine why USA hasn’t introduced something similar yet, but prefer all that bureaucracy that only makes the whole process way more expensive. Just to make sure some unemployed poor guy doesn’t get free treatment!!
    USA is a psychopathic society.

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      Wait until you find out that we actually get money deducted from our paychecks, a good some of money under “Medicare”, that we don’t get. We just pay for it on top of our monthly premiums for the insurance.

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        Of all the things to be angry at re: health insurance, this ain’t it. You are not mad at Medicare existing. Like you do realize that 99% of people on this site want what you just described, but for all health care at all ages, right?

        There are plenty of issues with Medicare, but what you just described is probably the easiest part of this whole situation for a European to understand due to its progressive nature.

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          I think it’s pretty reasonable to be pissed about paying for something you can’t use. Especially if they’re in the same boat I am where their taxes are literally the difference between owning a home or not.

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            Yeah, and my taxes shouldn’t have to go toward paying for schools because I don’t have kids right now, right? And what about libraries? I haven’t been to one in decades, why should I pay for them? And roads… I don’t currently have a car, so I should not have to contribute to maintaining roads and bridges.

            Are we really going to have to go back to middle school and explain the social contract?

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      You can get whatever you want, but you have a $37,849.45 bill because you used the wrong door.

      See, that door you used was operated by Attenya Healathus, not the Hospital, which is operated by Wellmeat (formerly Agape Plalauthis) so your care was not covered. If you had entered through the door (as outlined in your EOB) to the right, it would’ve only been an $800 copay for your splinter removal.

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      Are you rich? Then yes. If you’re not rich, then you need to suffer and struggle for needing to use valuable resources that could be used on people more deserving; like the wealthy.

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        It’s not that they’re hoarding scarce healthcare resources so they’re available for the wealthy. They could provide care for everyone, but then the system wouldn’t run at the desired profit level.

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          There is also a giant undercurrent of wealth ministry in the American upper classes. Since about the 1960’s they’ve been pushing the idea that God blesses good people with money and punishes bad people by making them poor. It’s mixed with the Protestant Work Ethic so they also see poor people as lazy and undeserving.

          It’s a completely self serving and self fulfilling ideology but it makes them feel good so we all have to suffer because we lost the lottery at birth.

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          i didn’t say healthcare resources. money is a resource and you must give it to your betters if you want access to affordable healthcare. they are hoarding one resource by denying access to another.

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      Oh ya, you can get care. And then you fight with insurance about whether or not that was the right doctor to use or if it was really necessary in the first place. But insurance won’t talk to the hospital and the hospital won’t talk to insurance so you have to talk to each of them in turn while waiting on hold every time. It’s a wonderful system.

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          You say that, but when the Dems had a filibuster proof super majority in Congress for a handful of weeks over a decade ago, we got the ACA.

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            They literally brought the health insurance executives in to write that bill. It was a step forward. But it was also a captive market that was supposed to be subsidized by state and federal governments. So the health insurance companies would just make a profit no matter what.

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            You say that, but when the Dems had a filibuster proof super majority in Congress for a handful of weeks over a decade ago, we got the ACA.

            The ACA barely passed in its original form (219-212) with a bunch of democrats voting against it too. A few aligned themselves with big business however many other democrats voted against the ACA because they believe it didn’t go far enough.

            The ACA was still the biggest win for the American people on healthcare in decades.

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              Yeah, there were some pretty conservative Congress people back then. There no way we were gonna get enshrined abortion rights, since many Dems were staunchly pro-life, hence ACA as an alternative.

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            Hey why did we get the shitty ACA instead of actual universal healthcare if the Dems had power and were committed to getting universal healthcare?

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              Because there were other people in Congress who talked about death panels and tried to kill it at every turn. Reps hate the populace, and try their best to neuter everything good for the people. Also, some pretty right-leaning Dems were there. Have you paid ANY attention to politics?

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                Maybe don’t tout a half-measure that compromised with literal ghouls as a defining unequivocal win for the party then?

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                  You some champion of missing the point? That’s what we got despite all odds.

                  It’s like you people don’t understand politics or history. No wonder we elected a fucking fascist into office. JFC

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        To be fair, neither party was going to pull the trigger on Medicare For All. We’re not getting universal healthcare until the working class stops letting wedge issues divide it.