I condemn the use of slurs. Ask me that question again, I defy you to make me give you the same answer to the same question.

This is not an allyship by any stretch of the imagination.

Then you have a severely limited imagination and an equally dismal knowledge of history beyond the past century. Does the small things the church has tried to do to mend all the awful things they’ve done? Not even close, frankly I’m not satisfied they’ve even begun to redeem themselves for the inquisition and they likely may never in my lifetime. Likely not yours or in a thousand or in a million but they might one day. That small infinitesimal chance is the same as life forming on Earth. I’m hedging my bets on the house.

I’d condemn them.

This is what is irrelevant to my point. It’s not about how you judge others it’s about how others would judge you. Based on your logic of judging others harshly for the action of those that came before, you would be judged severely. Worry not for many would burn with you, myself included.

There’s never been an excuse for such behavior.

No but there’s been an infinite number of rationalizations used for it. Until humanity collectively became better and continues to do so it was a fact of life. Not an excuse just acceptance of reality.

I’m only judging the church and its shitty pope based on their actual words and actions.

Are you though? Because you seem reactionary only to what is in front of you. Not on the totality of human history nor through any perspective beyond your own do you seem to be making your decisions.

They’re still an active hate group in 2024.

Yes they are but I can’t say for sure that they will tomorrow. Even if tomorrow they still are, still doesn’t answer for the day after or the one after that and ad infinitum until reality ends and no more chances for redemption could be had.

This is where you and I simply will not agree. I believe that everyone is worthy of redemption. What actually earns redemption is far beyond my point and what an organization as long and old as these fuckers would have to do truly stretches the imagination but it’s not an impossibility. I cannot judge what redeems others because I cannot judge what redeems me. All I know is that trying to be better today than yesterday has to be worth something.

Also, not appreciating you downplaying the fact that the Catholic church clearly believes LGBTQIA+ is a sin.

Is that what that wiki page you presented and I quoted for you says to you? Because to me it says that opinions are split and change couldn’t come soon enough but it’s coming as fast as it can. If that isn’t good enough for you then that is your own personal problem.

In March 2021, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith said that the church cannot bless same-sex relationships because “God cannot bless sin”.[6]On 18 December 2023, it published Fiducia supplicans, a declaration allowing Catholic priests to bless people who are not considered to be married by the Church, including same-sex couples.[7]

The church provides pastoral care for LGBT Catholics through a variety of official and unofficial channels that vary from diocese to diocese, and senior clergy and popes have recently begun to call for the church to do more. In many parts of the world, the Church is active politically on issues of LGBT rights. The relationship between the Catholic Church and the LGBT community has been a difficult one, especially during the height of the AIDS crisis, and World War II Nazi Germany.[8]

Pope Francis was the first pope to support same-sex civil unions as legal protections for same-sex couples.[9][10] He has denounced laws criminalising homosexuality.[11][12][13]

Dang if only you had read the full article.

You know it’s real easy to judge others for the sins of their fathers. How far into your family history would we need to dig to judge you for the rape or murders your forebears likely committed?

Now I know all about Catholic doctrine having been raised in the faith. And first hand I have experienced their brand of hate, it was both taught to me and turned against me when I came out the closet. For a long time after I was ousted from that community I let that hate fester my every waking thought. It wasn’t until those feelings actually killed me and I came back from the other side that I realized how stupid the whole thing was. Hating those who hated me only produced more hate in the world.

I let go of the pain I felt by no longer wanting others to feel how I did.

Judging people on their words and their beliefs is the same discrimination you say to hate. Doing it to people who do it to you doesn’t magically make you right and them wrong, it’s always wrong.

So I will repeat myself, I condemn the use of slurs.

Condemn the usage of slurs? Easy and always.

But as for actually judging people only based on what they say or what others said they said? That’s for republicunts and religious idiots.

In the same way that 3000 year old stories are not sufficient evidence for people to believe in god, so are a couple news articles about words behind closed doors not enough evidence to condemn a man.

Not wanting people to die is not a defense of who they are. It’s simply not wishing death on others.

If it was that simple it would have been done already. In fact it’s been done multiple times, burning people doesn’t burn away the problem. Hate doesn’t need god, it simply exists as part of humanity. But by all means keep shouting that the elimination of people is the solution to the problem, real popular in Zionism these days you fit right in with them.

Why stop just at him? If death and destruction is how you get your kicks then why not hope for the elimination of an entire people too? If you get rid of all the Catholics and religious people do you think you will get rid of all the hate? What about all the people who don’t need to hate in the name of god, like you?

Only been about 20 years since the push against using slurs. It’s shocking now to watch movies from 2010 and earlier because it’s so prevalent. How far we’ve come as far as respecting other people really obscures how long it really has been.

Really was an honest mistake, I didn’t find out she had mixed up the slur and word for larva of order Diptera until I audited her teaching class. The other educator with me didn’t even react and told me she had been doing it for as long as she knew her. Not her students, not the parents or other teachers ever bothered to correct her. She loved teaching about the life cycle of flies but her fear of accidentally slipping a slur killed that passion.

I’m not apologizing for the pope nor bigots at large. Just saying that there are circumstances in which someone who appears to be one thing isn’t, and you should be suspicious of being told what someone else looks like if you can’t see for yourself.

This is just bad science. Did your dad and grandad also speak multiple languages and belong to an organization that has splintered into factions, some of which whose purpose is to try to destroy all good will and faith built with marginalized communities?

My mom at least speaks multiple languages and for over 20 years of knowing English she thought that maggot was the slur and the word with the hard f sound that rhymes with maggot was the acceptable one to say. It wasn’t until I corrected her behavior did she actually know it was wrong. She will still drop the f-word because the word association has been long since made but at least she apologizes and corrects herself now.

See now we have conflicting anecdotes and the glaring question gets ignored.

Cui bono?

How seriously do you think black-face was considered? Do you think it was the optics or logistics that stymied that thought?

Lot of words just to say that once the advertisers move in on a centralized platform its value is shot. A huge part of the reason I abandoned the last platform I was using and sought a federated alternative.

Nah I’ll blame everyone else, I wasn’t counting on them anyway.

If the part that’s going to be pissed off is less than what could be won then is the risk worth taking? Some campaign manager must have thought so or this appeal against his own base is a terrible gamble.

I find his base to be largely split on this issue. There’s the bleeding hearts who cry for amnesty (Sky Daddy bless their souls) and the at best ambivalent and at worst lipstick racist others.

Yeah my claim is that Valve used the data from their monthly survey and anything that was not willingly provided from users was bought from Google to R&D the Steam Deck. If that isn’t a probable or plausible scenario to you then you simply don’t understand why marketing data is useful.

I never said anything about selling out to Google.

Not every drop of orange juice is worth the squeeze.

You’re right. But it’s not a question of buying consoles, it’s a matter of creating a free account. The majority of people have been conditioned to do so all their lives they won’t question another. If you really want to make a difference choose better battles, how about going after the system that allowed this problem to exist in the first place instead of getting caught up trying to put out the symptoms.

I’m not a defeatist, I’m just wondering if this battle is worth making a stand at when in order to change the gaming industry you first have to change the nature of industry itself. At what point do you stop trying to save the Titanic and start drawing plans for the Titanic II?

there’s the monthly hardware and software survey

It’s optional.

whatever users didn’t willingly provide was probably bought from Google.

Ah, yes, probably.

I mean I wish I could find a source

No surprise there.

We’re all voicing opinions. I chose mine and don’t begrudge yours.

More like false accusations.

Your words in bold to highlight how hard it is for you to believe that Valve bought data from Google to create the Steam Deck.

I understand what you’re saying but there will never not be mtx in games. Even if these guys are getting raked over the coals the only lesson being taken away is to nickle and dime you slower.

More like false accusations.

This is gold. Imma remember this one fondly.

I’m not accusing Valve of anything, other than presenting the likely scenario of how using monthly hardware and software survey in conjunction with data bought from Google went towards the development of the Steam Deck. If you cannot accept that as a plausibility that’s your problem not mine. The proof you keep getting your gaiters in a twist over could only come from corporate espionage or Valve themselves releasing to the public.

Picking my statement apart did you no favors in trying to prove your point. Honestly don’t know what your point is other than you’re mad I’m not on my knees gargling daddy Gabe’s balls as hard.

Well there’s the monthly hardware and software survey and whatever users didn’t willingly provide was probably bought from Google. I mean I wish I could find a source but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how companies who want to sell you things would go about selling you things. I could if you ask nicely, give you a basic summary of how marketing data is used by entities seeking profit to R&D products and services.

We’re all voicing opinions. I chose mine and don’t begrudge yours.